Fluffy Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sj2hak72d98742c62&w=s9h83daqt3ckqj973&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=4sppp]266|200[/hv] Match points, you lead ♥A wich only shows the King, and partner plays ♥Q wich only shows ♥J. After you tell me how awful my carding agreements are, you can tell me what would you play at trick 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Okay: Your carding agreement is so awful... For the second trick, I see two possibilities: A trump or a Heart. If I try a trump, I hope that partner has a black ace and declarer 3 Hearts and no way to discard them in time on diamonds. If I try to cash a second high heart an than:If I try a trump, declarer has someting like AQTxxxx,xx,xx,AxIf I try a diamond, declarer has AQTxxxx,xxx,K,xx If I try a club, delcarer has KQTxxxxx,xxx,Kx,- I go with a high spade lead at trick three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I really think that partner's ♥Q is suit preference in this situation. I cash a heart and play a diamond at trick three. Just in case declarer has solid spades and the ♣A, I want to cash the heart. Assuming that declarer is missing either the ♣A or a trump trick, it is necessary to play a diamond. If declarer has the ♦K without the ♣A and we lose our club trick, I will be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 It's a bit of a guess and my guess is a diamond now. This works if pard has 1 trump trick and the club ace or 1 trump trick and can ruff a diamond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 partner is basically certain to have a black suit trick. No one would open with AKQS and a club. He could easily have both a spade honour and the club ace. If he as something like A A in the blacks, a club switch could be the winner. Later he can cash the heart J and play back a club. Still that seems less likely than a diamond. Suppose that I cash two hearts and play a diamond, can that go wrong? Yes, definitely, declarer could be AKxxxxxx xx x xx, but he is 100$ cold in this case. AKxxxxx xxx x xx needs a trump switch not a diamond. I am favouring the spade J at trick 3 atm but not that sure. Too hard for me. Will think a bit more and get back to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 If I cash another heart, what will partner signal on that trick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 partner is basically certain to have a black suit trick. No one would open with AKQS and a club. He could easily have both a spade honour and the club ace. If he as something like A A in the blacks, a club switch could be the winner. Later he can cash the heart J and play back a club. Still that seems less likely than a diamond. Suppose that I cash two hearts and play a diamond, can that go wrong? Yes, definitely, declarer could be AKxxxxxx xx x xx, but he is 100$ cold in this case. AKxxxxx xxx x xx needs a trump switch not a diamond. I am favouring the spade J at trick 3 atm but not that sure. Too hard for me. Will think a bit more and get back to you.Wow. 4♠ vulnerable in first seat on AKxxxxx xxx x xx? Too rich for my blood. He could have AKxxxxxx xx xx x, in which case a diamond switch is required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Cashing the ♥K seems wrong from general principles; we will likely have to pull dummy's trump at trick 3 and partner will be left guarding all the suits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I admit I looked at dummy and thought, attack the sure entry diamond switch wtp? Maybe I don't think enough about these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) He could have AKxxxxxx xx xx x, in which case a diamond switch is required. We can try a 2nd heart on this layout and then shift to a diamond (or a club) depending on partner's spot (which should be SP) as Gnasher suggests. AK(or AQ)xxxxxx xx Kx x seems within the set of 4♠ openers. I will pay off to an odd number of hearts in declarer's hand - a trump seems like a longshot to be critical, and I don't think I can also cater to AKxxxxxx xxx x x (note declarer can still take 10 tricks if the position is read - edit - on a trump shift). Edited February 6, 2012 by Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 If I cash another heart, what will partner signal on that trick?This is surely the critical question. To Art: whether you think the heart Q should be preference is irrevelant: you are told that to this partner the Q says he has the J and says absolutely nothing about suit preference....the question is, then, in those circumstances, how do you continue? Clearly we want more information. Partner can tell us. There is no rush to lead trump at trick 2...so long as we make the right decision at trick 3, cashing the heart K cannot cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 This is surely the critical question. To Art: whether you think the heart Q should be preference is irrevelant: you are told that to this partner the Q says he has the J and says absolutely nothing about suit preference....the question is, then, in those circumstances, how do you continue? Clearly we want more information. Partner can tell us. There is no rush to lead trump at trick 2...so long as we make the right decision at trick 3, cashing the heart K cannot cost.No argument there. But it certainly makes sense in a situation like this one that partner would be trying to let me know what he has as soon as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Cashing the ♥K seems wrong from general principles; we will likely have to pull dummy's trump at trick 3 and partner will be left guarding all the suits.That's true. Maybe a diamond is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 That's true. Maybe a diamond is best. But not cashing a heart may be a desaster on some layouts where partner can cash 2 Trumps and 3 Diamonds, someting like AQTxxxx,xxx,Kx,x or KQTxxxx, xxx, x,Ax will make partner real unhappy with our switch at trick two... And it is still Matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Clearly we want more information. Partner can tell us. There is no rush to lead trump at trick 2...so long as we make the right decision at trick 3, cashing the heart K cannot cost. what about 8311? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 what about 8311?if he is 8311 what switch do you suggest? And why does that switch have to come at trick 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 ah right, the problem is declarer can also be 7321, and a suit preference won't help you to decide what to switch anyway. Count won't help either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 ah right, the problem is declarer can also be 7321, and a suit preference won't help you to decide what to switch anyway. Count won't help either. I'd expect suit preference, not count. We need to guard against the club A going away when declarer holds the diamond K, and partner will realize not just that but also that we may have the ♦ K and it is finessable. So he will tell us to lead diamonds with either both minor cards or just the K. He will tell us to lead clubs with only the club A. If he tells us to lead diamonds, we are back guessing....since if declarer is 8=3=1=1, we need to play a spade instead. Since 8311 is an unlikely shape I will pay to the fact that we can't usually cater to it. I suppose that a middle heart could/should suggest a trump switch, but opener can jerk us around on some of these hands by falsecarding and I can't imagine partner having a hand where he sees we need a trump play at trick 3. If declarer is 7=3=2=1, and partner has both minor cards, he is going to ask me to play a diamond...so we only beat it 1....I don't feel terrible about that. I forget whether this was mps, and if I look, I have to start typing all over again, so I won't...but even if I beat it only 1, it's not the end of the world....if I kill the heart ruff, I lose our diamond trick, don't I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 The important thing here is not what Q♥ shows but what would small or big spot show.Partner surely have plenty of both, he has chosen to play a queen to show a jack would he do that with K♦ ? Wouldn't he be tempted to play a high spot then ? Anyway, diamond looks natural without any information. It seems like it loses rarely. Declarer needs stiff K and stiff club or Kx with partner ruffing with natural trick while it's all too easy to imagine spade costing us with xx/xx or x/xx in minors in declarer hand (or stiff A♣ and xx diamonds). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 if he is 8311 what switch do you suggest? And why does that switch have to come at trick 2?If he is 8311 with solid trumps and no minor honour, we have to, at some point, play a spade to stop the ruff. If we cash the heart first, then play a spade, declarer can run all of his trumps to squeeze partner in three suits. Even if we play a trump at trick two, it will take some careful discarding to avoid an endplay. Against this layout, a diamond switch is OK, and it simplifies the discarding problems. We still have time to switch to a trump later if declarer plays a heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 declarer had AK10xxxxx xx - Axx I think I was the only player in 72 tables to get -680 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 No one would open with AKQS and A club. No? Someone opened 4♦ against me this week holding xx, Ax, AKQ10xxxx, x (Game all, imps). As an aside, was I wrong to double with AJ85, KQ65, void, QJ943? Or partner to leave it in with Q106, J103, J972, 862? -910 was not a great score..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 The diagram gives me headache. I assume you are the hand to the right ("south") and the other hand is the dummy. You were playing counter-clockwise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sj2hak72d98742c62&w=s9h83daqt3ckqj973&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=4sppp]266|200[/hv] The diagram gives me headache. I assume you are the hand to the right ("south") and the other hand is the dummy. You were playing counter-clockwise? And here I thought I was the only one getting a headache from those "partial" diagrams. Yes, Dummy is West and Declarer is East.You are South.... on lead with the ♥Ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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