jillybean Posted February 3, 2012 Report Share Posted February 3, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sa8632hk7dakqck76&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=3cpp?]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 I guess it is at least Forum standard to bid 3 NT here and I guess that this is by far the best bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Well, we didn't start 3N [hv=pc=n&s=sa8632hk7dakqck76&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=3cppXp4cp?]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Hey there Kathryn I really dislike X. You'll be dreadfully positioned after 4♥. Assuming that you force me to double, I'll rebid 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Well, we didn't start 3N [hv=pc=n&s=sa8632hk7dakqck76&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=3cppXp4cp?]133|200[/hv]I think we are in slam territory.Doesn't 4♣! say: " I have a max pass and both 4 card majors, pick 1 ? " Not knowing what 4NT would be interpreted here as ... or 4-new suit ... or 5♣ ... or 5♠, I'll just blurt out: 6♠ ... needing as little as ♠ K-4th and ♥ A-4th and ♣ shortness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sa8632hk7dakqck76&n=skj74ha986dj9854c&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=3cppdp4cp4sppp]266|200[/hv] Here's the full hand. If south starts (edited) 3N then north has a chance to enter the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 I had not have the chance. South could be MUCH weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Sorry, I meant if south starts 3N but it probably doesnt change the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campboy Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 If this is board 1 then 3♣ was out of turn but it is too late to do anything about it now. Anyway, I would bid 5♠ in the hope that this will get partner to bid 6 with a club control. If he doesn't have one then it is likely they can take the ♣A and a ruff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I'd have bid 3NT, but probably taken it out with North (bid 4C and hope partner does something sensible - here 4S). Not sure how you get to slam now... perhaps North tries 5C and South might bid 6S based on his ♥Kx and the fact he has little wastage in ♣. ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 If this is board 1 then 3♣ was out of turn but it is too late to do anything about it now. The hands are rotated, we were sitting E/W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 3N If you make me dbl, I'll bid 6S after 4C. I'm on borrowed time anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 The choice was 3N, X, 4♠ but decided I was too strong for 3N. I was planning to bid 3N over a 3♥ response and didn't consider what I'd do if partner bid 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 The choice was 3N, X, 4♠ but decided I was too strong for 3N. I was planning to bid 3N over a 3♥ response and didn't consider what I'd do if partner bid 4♥. 4S over 3C is not an option with this terrible suit. Double then spades is possible. Will likely be best if partner responds at the 3 level. 3N is probably favourite. With a void club partner has a routine removal imo. It will be hard to reach slam after 3N though. Partner might be able to make a slam try, its unclear to me whether that is %. Partner likely has wasted club values, and may not be hugely strong. Many would bid here with a balanced 17 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted February 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 4S over 3C is not an option with this terrible suit. Double then spades is possible. Will likely be best if partner responds at the 3 level. 3N is probably favourite. With a void club partner has a routine removal imo. It will be hard to reach slam after 3N though. Partner might be able to make a slam try, its unclear to me whether that is %. Partner likely has wasted club values, and may not be hugely strong. Many would bid here with a balanced 17 count. I don't understand '4S over 3C is not an option' but 'double and then spades is possible' ? Wouldn't double then spades suggest a better hand, spade holding than a direct 4♠ bid? (I agree 4♠ is not an option I would choose with this suit) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I don't understand '4S over 3C is not an option' but 'double and then spades is possible' ? Wouldn't double then spades suggest a better hand, spade holding than a direct 4♠ bid? (I agree 4♠ is not an option I would choose with this suit) No both shows good hand, direct 4♠ sets the trump suit, usually solid or semi solid while DBL and then bidding means he can play another suit too. AKJT9xxxAQxKx is a 4♠ for me AJxxxxAKAKxxx AQTxxAKAQxxxx AQxxxAQxAKxxx are DBL hands for me. Some people make simple overcall with some of those but i keep my overcalls maximum to 18 hcp, and if 18 it should not have prime cards imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I don't understand '4S over 3C is not an option' but 'double and then spades is possible' ? Wouldn't double then spades suggest a better hand, spade holding than a direct 4♠ bid? (I agree 4♠ is not an option I would choose with this suit) This is how they thaught it in the last century. And I bet that most players still use it this way. But "we" think that it is MUCH better to use X and a suit for a more flexible hand. It must be wrong to have 7 ways to show different spade one suiters but no convincing way to show a 5341 hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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