4-4 plays better then 5-4 example

[kgr]

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We went to 6 ♦, which can not be made.

While 6♣ always makes if ♣ are 3-2

 

The bidding was:

1♦-(1♥)-2♥-(DBL)

3♣-(p)-3♥-(DBL)

3♠-(p)-5♦-(p)

6♦-all pass

 

I know this bidding is not very good (eg better bid 3♦ iso 3♥), but can you get to 6♣?

[mikestar]

Assuming the original 2H promised diamond support, how about 4C instead of 3H, showing the double fit? If partner's 3C is a no trump probe and he doen't have four clubs, he will insist on palyoing in daimonds.

[kgr]

The 2H didn't promise Diamond support.

It was GF, without a 4-card Spade.

3C normally promises 4-card, but can be done on shorter C is no other good bid.

 

Maybe it could go:

1C-(1H)-2H-(DBL)

3C-(p)-3D-(p)

3H-(p)-4C-(p)

4NT-(p)-5S-(p)

6C-all pass

With 3H and 4C control bids.

4NT ask aces.

5S: 2 of 5 + Q

and 6C confirming the 4-card Club.

... but: 6C could be interpreted as 5-5

... and: Not sure if North would pass if there is a sure 5-4 fit.

[mikestar]

Wtihout the diamond support being shown by the cuebid, it is harder to find the club fit.

 

But if North is aware that the fit is 5-4 diamonds and 4-4 clubs, he should play in clubs, especially if the heart stiff has been pinpointed--it is very likely that a discard will be needed for the third spade.

 

It is an important point to notice why 6C plays better--not because clubs is a better trump suit (it isn't, the 4-4 is more porne to bad breaks)--but because diamonds is a better side suit. The diamonds produce a discard, but only if they are not trump.

 

Notice that if we add the Queen of spades to either hand, now 6D is better--it is laydown unless they can ruff the opening lead. 6C can now survive 4-1 clubs, but goes down if they are 5-0. 6C can also be set by an opening lead ruff.