aguahombre Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 The point being that anyone who might understand would not be peers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejak Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I think some people are beginning to make me feel that the point of polls is seriously misunderstood. A TD has to make a decision, a judgement decision, in a judgement ruling. It helps him if he asks some players for their opinions. Now, some people seem to think that you take a vote and are bound by the answers. That is highly simplistic and a very poor approach unless the TD is very poor. Much better is for a TD to merely let such polls affect judgement. Now, if I understand you, you are saying that you as the TD can understand what is going on, and no-one else can possibly understand it. Sorry: that is an unhelpful and wrong and arrogant approach. Players, especially relatively good players, understand quite a lot of what other players think even when they do not believe the logic themselves and would not follow the approach. The correct way to rule in judgement cases in a club is to tell some players the situation and use their opinions to help you rule. The wrong way is to say arrogantly "These players are too stupid to understand the position" and decide yourself without consultation. Whether the players you ask or not are peers is not relevant: do you really believe you are the only peer in the club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 You are talking about using the opinions of others at a club about what they might do in a situation, with given parameters, to make a decision. That is a good thing, and it is "polling" in that sense. I was arrogantly taking a pot shot at the East and West involved in the OP situation, and using a different "poll" definition which includes "peers" to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Put more simply, it doesn't make much sense to conduct a poll in regard to actions by players who don't seem to know what they're doing in the first place. However, it's not clear that West in this situation is one of them. While many would open West's hand, many others prefer more sound openings and wouldn't; it's clearly right on the border. The poll would be kind of like a MSC hand where some of the participants would like to abstain, because they would have done something different earlier. In this case, you can tell the pollee: "Your paying client has asked you to make only sound openings, so you passed in first seat -- what do you do now?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluejak Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Let me get this straight. Someone makes a call which you think is a very poor choice. Because you do, you assume no-one in the club will agree with it so you do not do a poll? That is completely ridiculous. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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