quiddity Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sk32hk6dak94c9732&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=p1dp1h2cppdp]133|200[/hv]Matchpoints. South's pass over 2♣ tends to deny 3-card heart support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Not beautiful, but I'll try 2♠. I have good honor quality in good position, this can't end up badly if partner has his bid. If we play 2♠, I expect +110 or +140 and a good score. If partner continues, I should have a fine hand for him (club spots opposite shortness), and will cooperate with any try he may make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 It's a little scary but it's MP's and 2♣X is not game and I'll just lead the ♥K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I expect partner to have something resembling 4-5-3-1 shape. So, I assume that we are playing in a Moysian fit somewhere. I want club ruffs to come one the short side. So, I'll bid 2♦. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 It's a little scary but it's MP's and 2♣X is not game and I'll just lead the ♥K.The argument that 2♣x is not game would be appropriate if this were IMPs. -180 is not a disaster at IMPs (I am not arguing that it is good). However, -180 at matchpoints may be a disaster. I am assuming that your double in direct seat would have been a support double from the fact that it was stated that the pass tends to deny as many as 3 hearts. So partner, with club shortness, is obliged to reopen with a double as you may have a penalty double of 2♣. Now, you may pass here in an attempt to collect +200. But with 9xxx of clubs, your chances of getting +200 against a rational opponent are not great. LHO is almost certain to get at least 6 club tricks. You have to get 6 side suit tricks. They may be there, but it is risky. I would bid 2♦ and hope to score some club ruffs in dummy to collect +90 or +110. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I pass, and don't think it is close. We have quick tricks. Give partner the major suit Aces and nothing else and we rate to be an easy 200 without a ruff. 200 is going to be huge at mps unless we have a game. Try to construct a hand on which we have game, and either partner misbid or they rate to go 500-800. Partner won't have any of: 5 spades6 hearts4 diamonds The worst shape he can be, from our perspective, is 4=5=3=1, and he'll have at least a decent 9 count. Since our longest fit is 7 cards, and their's is 8, we are looking at a LOTT hand on which the total tricks are 15. If we can make 8, they make 7. And this is a great hand for application of the LOTT...we don't have secondary honours in their suits, we have pure controls and a flat hand. Moreover, given our hand and the auction, they won't hold a concealed secondary fit. The LOTT isn't perfect, but this is an area where, imo, it is very useful. Of course, they may make, but I don't see that as probable. I would pass at any form of scoring. I'd lead a top diamond to ensure that I see dummy and partner's attitude on diamonds before decising what to switch to. The heart K seems to me to be a very dangerous choice....imagine partner with AQxx Jxxxx Qxx x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Why wouldn't I bid 2♥ with this? I almost feel like I'm misreading the problem when others are suggesting to bid a 3 card suit or rebid a 4 card suit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I almost feel like I'm misreading the problem when others are suggesting to bid a 3 card suit or rebid a 4 card suit.I agree with that, but I don't understand the urge to bid a 2 card suit either....partner didn't promise 5 hearts, tho I concede that a 5 card holding is more likely than not...but what would you do over 2♣ with some 4=4=3=2 10-11 count? Or even better? Where are you ending up after 2♥ if he only has 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Other than passing up a penalty (which feels like a T and B proposition) partner knows we don't have three hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Pass is out of the question unless I want to break up this partnership. I will bid 2D, with 2H a close second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Pass is out of the question unless I want to break up this partnership. I will bid 2D, with 2H a close second.deleted: unwarranted silliness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I would not pass with the style we use DBL for reopening an auction thats about to die. If DBL promised strength, then its another story. This is because i believe in balancing agressively and not hanging pd for it. This is the price i pay, when pd doubles in pass out seat where the auction would die if he didnt take an action, i dont expect him to have enuf to defeat 2♣ most of the time especially with this -150 honor club holding. Hard for us to pass when it is right thing to do. But in return i believe we make better competition and we catch them doubled where others would not DBL due to their bean count and when opener has much better ♣ holding. To me pd would dbl with any strength and these shapes at mp 4531444135324432 (most debatable one imo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I'm with mike. Pass is auto in our style, discussed and agreed on. Competing values with no clear direction or pard would not double. I have no clear direction and nothing to be ashamed of. Meanwhile, why do all the passes by West suggest anything other than nowhere to go? I'm expecting +800 against our red game (which may be iffy) before a make by them and plus at least 200 given that East is a passed hand and West has been silent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I will break up my (not yet existing) partnership with Ron and pass, maybe Mike will play some hands with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted January 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Thanks for the comments. I'm happy to see my LOTT pass wasn't completely out of the ballpark. Unfortunately it didn't work out this time; clubs were 7-0 and declarer made an overtrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 declarer passed in 1st seat with 7 solid or semi-solid clubs? and even then only bid 2♣? I'd pay to that...I wouldn't be happy at the time, but I'd rather play against such a player than with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 i'd bid 2♥ which pretty much shows this shape - partner can correct to 2♠ with 44. i don't see why i want to float a take-out double with my mighty 9xxx. if 2♣ is going for a monkey, we surely have a game somewhere just on power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Thanks for the comments. I'm happy to see my LOTT pass wasn't completely out of the ballpark. Unfortunately it didn't work out this time; clubs were 7-0 and declarer made an overtrick. roflmao! You got what you deserved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 I will break up my (not yet existing) partnership with Ron and pass, maybe Mike will play some hands with me. Welcome back, Roland. Long team no read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 declarer passed in 1st seat with 7 solid or semi-solid clubs? and even then only bid 2♣? I'd pay to that...I wouldn't be happy at the time, but I'd rather play against such a player than with him. Mike i understand your shock about 7 ♣ and agreed, but when pd implies shortness (not promise of course) in a suit where you hold xxxx, and when the meaning of this double is clearly take out, and you convert it to penalty anyway with your xxxx, not at 3 or 4 level but as low as 2, i would be surprised to get a good score, seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 I agree MrAce. I have a lot of time for Mikeh's posts and regard him as a poster one takes notice of. However on this hand your judgement is seriously off, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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