mgoetze Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 A hand from the German Open Trials last weekend: [hv=pc=n&n=st98hkq652d86cq84&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=pp2d(18-19 balanced)p2h(Transfer to spades)]133|200[/hv] Which action do you take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 No. Wayyy too much downside with an 18-19 on my left. I might be tempted at MPs, where the upside is a good board, and the downside is a zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 To me it's normal to pass at imps and to double at matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I would certainly double at any form of scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 A hand from the German Open Trials last weekend: [hv=pc=n&n=st98hkq652d86cq84&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=pp2d(18-19 balanced)p2h(Transfer to spades)]133|200[/hv] Which action do you take? If the opps are not playing multi (ie weak 2 dia and 2h is unlimitedand forcing) I would x with this garbage only if I was interested ingetting rid of my current partner or trying to gain special favor fromone of my very attractive opponents (it wont work trust me). If the opps are playing multi you are playing with fire. There is noreason rho wont send an xx back at you and the number you are lookingat is staggering. Even if opps dont play 2h x or xx is this really a lead director????? The only thing you might be accomplishing is convincingp to lead a heart toward your entryless garbage vs making a killinglead elsewhere. Someday (never with the same partner) your lead directingx will be understood by p as lead directing vs takeout and only aheart lead will win the day. Its a game of % after all and 9 years anda cornucopia of new partners later you will have your desired reward. This post brought out my dark side and brings the total number of postsI would vote down so far to ONE. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 This is a clear pass. A double deserves a xx making with an overtrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 If the opps are not playing multi I was not asking about random other auctions, but about this very specific one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I'd personally pass but i am not in the group who thinks "OMG how can someone dbl with this" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I was not asking about random other auctions, but about this very specific one.read your post again and let me know how I was supposed to know thiswas a multi auction:))) I could find no clues so I tried to cover allthe obvious bases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 read your post again and let me know how I was supposed to know thiswas a multi auction:))) It's not, it's a Mexican 2♦ auction. Click on the alerts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onedown Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 If the opps are not playing multi (ie weak 2 dia and 2h is unlimitedand forcing) I would x with this garbage only if I was interested ingetting rid of my current partner or trying to gain special favor fromone of my very attractive opponents (it wont work trust me). If the opps are playing multi you are playing with fire. There is noreason rho wont send an xx back at you and the number you are lookingat is staggering. Even if opps dont play 2h x or xx is this really a lead director????? The only thing you might be accomplishing is convincingp to lead a heart toward your entryless garbage vs making a killinglead elsewhere. Someday (never with the same partner) your lead directingx will be understood by p as lead directing vs takeout and only aheart lead will win the day. Its a game of % after all and 9 years anda cornucopia of new partners later you will have your desired reward. This post brought out my dark side and brings the total number of postsI would vote down so far to ONE. I have questioned many posts here but this one ranks highest on simply "WHY"? So you are afraid with this pile of garbage partner will not find a heart lead to defeat what? The real post should read "how stupid are you"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I think X at MP or against weak opps is clear cut. Against strong opps I would pass (hopefully in tempo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Chickens, all of you. May your partners make bad leads for the rest of your days. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Chickens, all of you. May your partners make bad leads for the rest of your days. Well for me the x does not just show cards in that but, but also a willingness to compete. Do you want to compete with that hand? However, even if it showed cards in the suit I would not double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 So we should have a good heart suit and a hand that wants to compete, yet somehow we didn't open the bidding last round? That doesn't seem practical to me. Of course I don't know their system, but it seems likely that LHO can't have 5 hearts and RHO can't have 4 hearts, so I'm not too worried about them playing 2HXX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I must admit I missed the original pass, however I would still pass, but why can't the 2D bidder have 5H? If 2D = 18-19 balanced, surely he could be 2533 or similar. I must admit I would still xx even with AJT9 and outside tops.This reminds me of a relay auction partner and I got into some years ago. LHO doubled a 3C relay with a similar holding. Partner xx to show step 2. I held AJTxx in the suit and passed, making 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 For this particular pair, 2♦ can't have a 5-card major, should have mentioned that perhaps, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 When I play this 2D opening I don't have a 5-card major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 If X crosses my mind as an option - sure. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgoetze Posted January 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Part two of the poll is: how many of you suspected this was a TD case? :) Full hand at http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/50762-any-rectification/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Much closer now I realise North is a passed hand. I wouldn't bid, but can understand why it could be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Not with an unpassed hand (sorry, random auction), but with a passed hand I think this is a nice Dbl. It holds some risk, so I won't be comfortable until opps bid something. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 I would definitely team up with han here. Pass is for WIMPS :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 Chickens, all of you. May your partners make bad leads for the rest of your days. You know there is other side of this coin too . Which in my personal opinion occurs much more often than showing the lead to pd which ended up happily. And no, i am not mainly talking about redoubled going for a number. But you are basically doubling 2♥ with a suit, that you would probably not DBL them if they willingly bid 6♥. This is of course not a criteria to decide when to make a lead directing DBL, but its an ironic fact. The reason i choose to pass is neither i am scared that they can redouble me (which is a possibility) nor because my pd may compete (i totally disagree with Hog on that one). This sort of low level doubles, where the suit is questionable in regards to its quality, usually ends up with opponents 1-Gaining extremely valuable space 2-Better hand evaluation to land in their best contract besides other much less frequent but expensive side effects such as being redoubled. Because unfortunately one of them showed 18-19 balanced hand and they are still only at 2 level. I have to admit though, while i sound like i complain with the quality of this suit , as i said in previous post, its borderline quality for the 2 level for me and while i pass, i am not really annoyed by the choice of doublers. I can construct hands where they bid and make a bad slam or game that was down on a ♥ lead, as well as i can construct auctions and contracts where DBL costed us. Only thing i dont understand is, why would someone think this is a bad topic/post and so bad that he would have downvoted it. Imo this is a very good post that allowed us to see other people's choices in lead directing doubles. Which is a very rare topic, except than we all know double of an artificial suit is lead directing. For example i just learnt from this topic that there are people who would not make a lead directing double unless their hand is good enough to compete. But i upvoted your reply anyway, because it was a cute reply and i really laughed at it. Good one bro :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 There seems to be a lot of talk about the quality of our hearts and less about the length of our spades. Maybe I am overestimating how important it is, but one of the reasons I didn't double was that I had 3 spades, increasing the likelihood that the opening bidder had 4 hearts, and also increasing the probability that they could make 2Hxx if they so chose (though if they choose to play 2Hxx, I would be pretty sick no matter what my spade length was). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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