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[hv=d=w&v=n&n=sq83ha84dk84cakj4&w=sth65daqj952cq873&e=sa9764hqjdt763ct6&s=skj52hkt9732dc952]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 Pass  1NT   Pass  2

 Pass  2    Pass  3

 Pass  4    Pass  Pass

 Pass  

 

We play Stayman , Smollen and Texas Transfers, I chose Smollen as the route to go, would you do it differently and if so why

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I would hope my pard realises I had game values and 5/2 in hearts would be ok better than 4/3 in spades

If that so then im asking, what the point in playing smolen, why show ur second suit when partner never needed to know about it ? just helping the opponents ?

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What does partner do with 3-2 in / when you bid a smolen 3 ?

if he suppose to bid 4sp on some hands then 3sp isnt right here.

anyway i dont understand what smolen helps you here, and would prefer bidding 4h instead.

At this situation North is expected to bid 3NT, then you can transfer to H with 4D, IMO.

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What does partner do with 3-2 in / when you bid a smolen 3 ?

if he suppose to bid 4sp on some hands then 3sp isnt right here.

anyway i dont understand what smolen helps you here, and would prefer bidding 4h instead.

At this situation North is expected to bid 3NT, then you can transfer to H with 4D, IMO.

So what is the point of showing the spade suit ?

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showing the spade suit only shows opener that there's a game force on and responder has longer hearts... and cnszsun is right, with 3/2 opener is supposed to bid 3nt and responder will xfer to hearts, showing 4/6+

 

playing a strong club, the bidding would be pretty much the same

1c : 1d (0-2 controls)

1nt : 2c (stayman)

2d : 3s

3nt : 4d

4h

 

this assumes a fairly standard response structure after 1c and 1nt

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What does partner do with 3-2 in / when you bid a smolen 3 ?

if he suppose to bid 4sp on some hands then 3sp isnt right here.

anyway i dont understand what smolen helps you here, and would prefer bidding 4h instead.

At this situation North is expected to bid 3NT, then you can transfer to H with 4D, IMO.

So what is the point of showing the spade suit ?

It is generally accepted that 4-4 fit is better than 5-3 or 6-2 (even 6-3). If pd has 4-card , responder wouldn't show 6-card (and opp wouldn't know the length of and before opening lead). After opening lead, it will become dummy anyway.

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why not when It worked ok here?

scpetic this might not be triable but this raize lots of question about why you use smolen at all. in this sequence your 3sp bid helped your opponents but it didnt help you at all. This could suggest that smolen is a bad convention, or that its being misused here, or that it just has its weakneses, or that smolen scope could and should be biggier, to include other types of hands, for example a one major suit (without 4 card in the other major) , this would take some presure off ur other bids (like transfer) and it will also help your smolen by not revelaing ur other suit to your opponents with no need.

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Surely if you play texas, then that is the way to do it. There's no point in using 2 bids to show the same thing. Stayman was the correct way to start, then after 2D, bid 4D, delayed texas. Otherwise you're wasting your time putting it on your cc
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how would you bid it with a weak NT and how would you bid it with precision?

I play weak nt and I open major first.

My pard would open 1 and when he shows strong nt I will know he has 4333 or 5332 distribution :)

I can use some relays to explore possible slam but I guess that opps will also bid to make it us more difficult...

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I don't see the problem in this auction... I never heard that Smolen isn't used with 6-4's :) You found your correct game, which will make +2 if no A lead and ruff, it's no slam, so what's the problem?

 

I think I would bid the exact way.

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So you made 12 tricks, if opps lead A and you're -1 in slam.

 

I never use Smolen with slam ambitious hands. Imo you can hardly call this a slam ambitious hand, since partner really needs the perfect hand, and here you need Q onside,... I don't feel the need to be in slam on this hand.

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Frederick, you made 12 tricks with the K of D a totally wasted card and you can't see the problem with a Smolen auction? How is partner suupposed to make an intellligent decision when you have shown him a 5-4?

I don't think this is a good slam. 12 tricks will be made because is 2-2 AND Q on side, PLUS opps don't find ruff.

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stayman is fine, after that bid 4D (delayed texas). I see some people suggested smolen and then 4D. This would show 6-4 indeed, but would show a slam try with a diamond cue (or fragment by agreement). That is not what you want to do since you have no slam aspirations
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