sceptic Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 [hv=d=w&v=n&n=sq83ha84dk84cakj4&w=sth65daqj952cq873&e=sa9764hqjdt763ct6&s=skj52hkt9732dc952]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] West North East South Pass 1NT Pass 2♣ Pass 2♦ Pass 3♠ Pass 4♥ Pass Pass Pass We play Stayman , Smollen and Texas Transfers, I chose Smollen as the route to go, would you do it differently and if so why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 Seems fine to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 sure, seems right to me... you have to see if there's a 4/4 spade fit, then let pard bid the heart game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted October 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 how would you bid it with a weak NT and how would you bid it with precision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 What does partner do with 3-2 in ♠/♥ when you bid a smolen 3♠ ?if he suppose to bid 4sp on some hands then 3sp isnt right here.anyway i dont understand what smolen helps you here, and would prefer bidding 4h instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted October 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 I would hope my pard realises I had game values and 5/2 in hearts would be ok better than 4/3 in spades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 I would hope my pard realises I had game values and 5/2 in hearts would be ok better than 4/3 in spades If that so then im asking, what the point in playing smolen, why show ur second suit when partner never needed to know about it ? just helping the opponents ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnszsun Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 What does partner do with 3-2 in ♠/♥ when you bid a smolen 3♠ ?if he suppose to bid 4sp on some hands then 3sp isnt right here.anyway i dont understand what smolen helps you here, and would prefer bidding 4h instead.At this situation North is expected to bid 3NT, then you can transfer to H with 4D, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 What does partner do with 3-2 in ♠/♥ when you bid a smolen 3♠ ?if he suppose to bid 4sp on some hands then 3sp isnt right here.anyway i dont understand what smolen helps you here, and would prefer bidding 4h instead.At this situation North is expected to bid 3NT, then you can transfer to H with 4D, IMO. So what is the point of showing the spade suit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 showing the spade suit only shows opener that there's a game force on and responder has longer hearts... and cnszsun is right, with 3/2 opener is supposed to bid 3nt and responder will xfer to hearts, showing 4/6+ playing a strong club, the bidding would be pretty much the same1c : 1d (0-2 controls)1nt : 2c (stayman)2d : 3s3nt : 4d4h this assumes a fairly standard response structure after 1c and 1nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 What does partner do with 3-2 in ♠/♥ when you bid a smolen 3♠ ?if he suppose to bid 4sp on some hands then 3sp isnt right here.anyway i dont understand what smolen helps you here, and would prefer bidding 4h instead.At this situation North is expected to bid 3NT, then you can transfer to H with 4D, IMO. So what is the point of showing the spade suit ? It is generally accepted that 4-4 fit is better than 5-3 or 6-2 (even 6-3). If pd has 4-card ♠, responder wouldn't show 6-card ♥ (and opp wouldn't know the length of ♥ and ♠ before opening lead). After opening lead, it will become dummy anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 "We play Stayman , Smollen and Texas Transfers, I chose Smollen as the route to go, would you do it differently and if so why " Yes. Smolen does not apply to a 6-4! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted October 24, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 why not when It worked ok here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 why not when It worked ok here? scpetic this might not be triable but this raize lots of question about why you use smolen at all. in this sequence your 3sp bid helped your opponents but it didnt help you at all. This could suggest that smolen is a bad convention, or that its being misused here, or that it just has its weakneses, or that smolen scope could and should be biggier, to include other types of hands, for example a one major suit (without 4 card in the other major) , this would take some presure off ur other bids (like transfer) and it will also help your smolen by not revelaing ur other suit to your opponents with no need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Surely if you play texas, then that is the way to do it. There's no point in using 2 bids to show the same thing. Stayman was the correct way to start, then after 2D, bid 4D, delayed texas. Otherwise you're wasting your time putting it on your cc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mila85 Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 how would you bid it with a weak NT and how would you bid it with precision?I play weak nt and I open major first.My pard would open 1♣ and when he shows strong nt I will know he has 4333 or 5332 distribution :) I can use some relays to explore possible slam but I guess that opps will also bid to make it us more difficult... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 I don't see the problem in this auction... I never heard that Smolen isn't used with 6-4's :) You found your correct game, which will make +2 if no ♠A lead and ♠ ruff, it's no slam, so what's the problem? I think I would bid the exact way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 1NT-2♣2♦-4♦4♥-pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 1NT-2♣2♦-4♦4♥-pass good to see your posts again, it was too quite for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Frederick, you made 12 tricks with the K of D a totally wasted card and you can't see the problem with a Smolen auction? How is partner suupposed to make an intellligent decision when you have shown him a 5-4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 So you made 12 tricks, if opps lead ♠A and ♠ you're -1 in slam. I never use Smolen with slam ambitious hands. Imo you can hardly call this a slam ambitious hand, since partner really needs the perfect hand, and here you need ♣Q onside,... I don't feel the need to be in slam on this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Frederick, you made 12 tricks with the K of D a totally wasted card and you can't see the problem with a Smolen auction? How is partner suupposed to make an intellligent decision when you have shown him a 5-4? I don't think this is a good slam. 12 tricks will be made because ♥ is 2-2 AND ♣Q on side, PLUS opps don't find ♠ ruff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Did I say it was a good slam? What I said was that they made 12 tricks WITH a totally wasted DK. Please read posts before making comments on their content. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 stayman is fine, after that bid 4D (delayed texas). I see some people suggested smolen and then 4D. This would show 6-4 indeed, but would show a slam try with a diamond cue (or fragment by agreement). That is not what you want to do since you have no slam aspirations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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