sasioc Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 [hv=pc=n&n=sjhatdt5432cjt432&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=pp1h1s3hppdp]133|200|Not certain about low pips so just put the smallest ones in :)[/hv] Playing teams Spoiler: If you bid 4C, this will go p p x. What do you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 All I could use was "other"..being one of those folks who believe 3NT would adequately show the minors here. I don't think it is an underbid opposite the expected 6-1-3-3 18ish across the table. "one of those folks" refers to people who are willing to give up the unlikely natural 3NT meaning. Oops, I misclicked that pass :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 Pard seems to have a balanced 16-17 or so. I think a pass can be good here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasioc Posted January 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 aguahombre - I agree that 3NT for the minors makes a lot of sense and apologise for forgetting to include it. It was not considered at the table because it was not clear to the person who held the hand that p would take it as the minors without discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_dude Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 I love my hand .. game will probably be a good shot if partner has a 4 card minor - if he is 6133 then maybe not so much. Still 4NT for me. Agree with the earlier poster that 3NT should be takeout but that is pessimistic imo. You could be way, way worse. Pard seems to have a balanced 16-17 or so. I think a pass can be good here. I can't imagine my partner is balanced - at least in our style. Balanced hands not strong enough to start with X are defending 3H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000magic Posted January 24, 2012 Report Share Posted January 24, 2012 I chose 4NT for minors, but I'd rather have 3NT for minors available. Partner's 5=2=3=3 or 5=1=4=3 or 5=1=3=4 or, possibly, 6=1=3=3 (though he might have bid 3♠ with a 6-bagger, instead of doubling); I love this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 opponents bidding smells like partner is 5233, we are missing 8 keycards, that's too much for game, I'd bid 4♦, if I bid 4♣ I correct to 4♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 I am not sure if I would like to have 3 NT at these colours for the minors. I would like to bid 3 NT with say J, AJT, Txxx,JT9xx 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted January 25, 2012 Report Share Posted January 25, 2012 IMO the x is an attempt to successfullycompete against 3h. There are a lot of handsp may have for a 1s overcall followed by xand we have to trust p uses good judgement. In any case there is still a big differencebtn us having a hand like void x xxxxxx xxxxxxwhere I would love to bid 4n pick a minor and our hand which has some defensive potentialin case the opps compete further. With this handI would bid 4h pick a minor. I disagree with the opinion that 3n is pick a minorwhat would i do with say x QJx xxx KQxxxx? 3n is the only bid that comes evenclose to getting us to what might be only makeablegame and we have to give up game to cater tohands that might be say x xxx xxxxx xxxx? not a goodtrade off by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onedown Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 [hv=pc=n&n=sjhatdt5432cjt432&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=pp1h1s3hppdp]133|200|Not certain about low pips so just put the smallest ones in :)[/hv] Playing teams Spoiler: If you bid 4C, this will go p p x. What do you do? 4NT is the most obvious as there is no mistaking what it is...I did pass 3♥ so I certainly didn't have a responsive X if we are playing them thru 3S or higher and 3NT could be misconstrued and a cue of 4H is saying what? Better than a 3 or 4♠bid?; if so you would have spoken already. It could show 2-3-4-4 but 4NT leaves nothing to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 4NT leaves nothing to think about except that we are too high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Partner can have a 5233 with 17-18 pts and nothing wasted in H. But he can also be 5143 with a wider range he should have chubby minors (def tricks) rather than QJ of spades since im going to pass frequently here. I think 4Nt is obvious at teams and I expect to have a chance to make it. AKxxxxxKQJA9x -- the 9 make game very good :) Edited (not that good because they are going to make me ruff in H)) I dont see partner doubling with much less than this. 3nt for the minors is a joke. Note that its a 3rd seat opening (can be 4 carder ?) and west might not wanted to bid 4H with 5 of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 27, 2012 Report Share Posted January 27, 2012 I would bid 4NT.My partner held the hand at the table and passed the double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 I would bid 4NT.My partner held the hand at the table and passed the double. And who was right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 And who was right? As a general rule I think it is good forum etiquette not to reveal the full hand on a thread someone else has started. (When I've done so, it's been after offline conversation with the poster.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 How has our hand become better in a way that our partner wouldn't already be aware of when he decided not to bid 4♥ It would nice to have a chance to play 4S to 6spades in partner's hand and 5m with 5-4 fit.I am not sure if it's possible to achieve what about 4H ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 As a general rule I think it is good forum etiquette not to reveal the full hand on a thread someone else has started. (When I've done so, it's been after offline conversation with the poster.) Ok, then you can create a new thread with the problem and give the solution :P Or I can bribe sarah on facebook with some recipes, that should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasioc Posted January 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Partner held AKxxxxAQxxAxx Diamonds are 2-2 with the king onside and clubs are 4-1 with KQxx offside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 I'm hard pressed to visualize a try for penalties that won't be a success, even maybe a 500+ bonanza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 I'm hard pressed to visualize a try for penalties that won't be a success, even maybe a 500+ bonanza. Yup, if you pass that's +500. 3 imps out, against 620 from the other table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted January 28, 2012 Report Share Posted January 28, 2012 Isn't partner 6-1-3-3 quite often here ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Isn't partner 6-1-3-3 quite often here ? With good S hes going to bid 3S, so imo hes favorite to have a 4m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Yup, if you pass that's +500. 3 imps out, against 620 from the other table. -- Frances Hinden *** Are you suggesting 500 v 620 is the most likely *** in this situation? Always in this situation?*** Are you suggesting 800 v set game never occurs?*** Are you suggesting that 3 imps out is a disaster?*** Partner did double leaving penalties possible. *** Was he wrong? Should he have bid 4S when all he *** needs is 'HA' -- their suit? *** Is taking a sure plus wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jallerton Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 I am not sure if I would like to have 3 NT at these colours for the minors. I would like to bid 3 NT with say J, AJT, Txxx,JT9xx I would prefer to defend 3♥x with that hand. Indeed this is true of many of the hands where one might to bid a natural 3NT. The only hand type I can think of where a natural 3NT is particularly useful is when the partner of the doubler has a single heart stop and a decent 6-card minor. Even then it might be right to play in the minor. Hands suitable for the "scramble" meaning are quite a lot more frequent, I would have thought. Clearly though if you wish to play this method you need unambiguous agreements as to when "scramble" 3NT might apply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 29, 2012 Report Share Posted January 29, 2012 Yup, if you pass that's +500. 3 imps out, against 620 from the other table. -- Francis Hinden If you are going to quote me, please spell my name right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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