Alert: My partner is an idiot

[manudude03]

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Advanced bots? It was one of those partnerbot tourneys.

 

Why in the world is Gib bidding 4C on Axxxx when it has Qxx in a suit I overcalled (twice!) vulnerable. It didn't even correct back to 4D after it got doubled. It makes my defence a lot harder than it had to be, a simple 4D would likely (but not guaranteed) get me underleading my AK. In all seriousness though, it shouldn't ever be done on a crappy 5 card suit, let alone the 4+ it was suggested.

[mike777]

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Advanced bots? It was one of those partnerbot tourneys.

 

Why in the world is Gib bidding 4C on Axxxx when it has Qxx in a suit I overcalled (twice!) vulnerable. It didn't even correct back to 4D after it got doubled. It makes my defence a lot harder than it had to be, a simple 4D would likely (but not guaranteed) get me underleading my AK. In all seriousness though, it shouldn't ever be done on a crappy 5 card suit, let alone the 4+ it was suggested.

 

 

It looks like the bot has its bid, 4c and 2d if I understand the alert box. In other words clubs with diamond support.

 

It looks like the bot would bid 4d, not 4c without the Ace of clubs.

 

This looks like yet another post where the bot did fine, in fact better than most would and pard did not trust the bot.

[bb79]

It looks like the bot has its bid, 4c and 2d if I understand the alert box. In other words clubs with diamond support.

 

It looks like the bot would bid 4d, not 4c without the Ace of clubs.

 

This looks like yet another post where the bot did fine, in fact better than most would and pard did not trust the bot.

 

Alert of 4♣ says 4+♣ and 2-♦ , so it can have 0 or 1 ♦. Also alert says 9+hcp (hand has 7 hcp).

[mike777]

Alert of 4♣ says 4+♣ and 2-♦ , so it can have 0 or 1 ♦. Also alert says 9+hcp (hand has 7 hcp).

 

 

ok just to be clear it means less than 2 but how can it also have 9+ hcp but less than 9 total points?

 

Just asking how to read the alert box.

 

in any case it makes sense that if pard is bidding on ratty clubs and we have KQ of clubs then bot also will have Hx in d here. Also bot did not bid 3d or 3c over 2d so it must be limited.

[manudude03]

My point is that according to the description, it could logically bid 4C with Axxx and a diamond void, not saying it will, but I have seen examples of such bids (not recorded) not far off (AJxxx and stiff etc). If it promises Hx or whatever in diamonds, then the description really needs to say so, what if next time it does it with say Axxxxxx and out and I have to decide whether to pull to my AKxxxx possibly opposite void or leave it in with stiff say, afterall, that fits in the description too.

 

As far as the rest of the damage went on defence, after my ♣KQ holds, I "know" I have 2 cashing diamonds, why risk underleading?

 

I'm not 100% sure what the deal with the HCP and total points are, but I posted a slightly odd description ages back where I had supposedly promised 7-7 in the reds, 11+HCP and 11- total points, so it is possible for HCP to be higher.

[mike777]

"what if next time it does it with say Axxxxxx and out"

 

 

So next time think what is more likely pard is bidding on an empty long clubs suit vul or has clubs and diamonds.

 

that means next time you can say "I thought pard, you had tolerance for my suit"

 

In any event on defense you KNow pard cannot have that holding when your KQ holds.

 

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In any event it really seems that GIB bids and plays far better than the median ACBL player. That puts it in the top 50%. :)

[ArtK78]

In any event it really seems that GIB bids and plays far better than the median ACBL player. That puts it in the top 50%. :)

That is a joke, right?

[mike777]

That is a joke, right?

 

 

no I was very very serious.......

 

 

 

you dont think 'gib" is in top 50%?

 

 

Art where do you place Gib?

[ArtK78]

no I was very very serious.......

 

 

 

you dont think 'gib" is in top 50%?

 

 

Art where do you place Gib?

I guess you may be right, because about 50% of the membership of the ACBL is below 175 masterpoints, and GIB plays better than most players who have less than 175 masterpoints (and better than many that have more).

 

But GIB does not play better than 50% of regular tournament players, even if that standard is not very high.

[barmar]

I'm not 100% sure what the deal with the HCP and total points are, but I posted a slightly odd description ages back where I had supposedly promised 7-7 in the reds, 11+HCP and 11- total points, so it is possible for HCP to be higher.

The reason this happens is because some bids show only HCP ranges, while other bids show only TP ranges. When combining the descriptions of the multiple bids that have been made, you may end up with these nonsensical combinations. In this case, the first pass shows 9- TP, but doesn't say anything about HCP. The final 4♣ bid shows 9+ HCP. One thing I'd like to do one of these days is have the program automatically update related features to prevent inconsistencies -- a maximum TP implies a maximum HCP, and a minimum HCP implies a minimum TP (and there are similar relationships between suit qualities and suit lengths).

 

As for where the 4♣ bid itself came from, it was due to simulations. It didn't expect to be passed out without support.

 

On the defense, I think it's due to the fact that it uses double dummy analysis in its simulations. So it assumed you would find the double dummy play of underleading the ♦AK so it can cash its ♣, rather than it having to overtake and give you a ruff.