dwar0123 Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Imps, 2/1[hv=pc=n&s=sj8752haqj4djcat4&n=saht97dakt632c653&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=p1dp1sp2dp2hppp]266|200[/hv] I felt 2♥ wasn't forcing South felt I was to weak to open, which doesn't really matter from my perspective because if I am right I am still passing 2♥ with an additional jack. Regardless, if 2♥ is forcing I need to change my understanding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Imps, 2/1[hv=pc=n&s=sj8752haqj4djcat4&n=saht97dakt632c653&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=p1dp1sp2dp2hppp]266|200[/hv] I felt 2♥ wasn't forcing South felt I was to weak to open, which doesn't really matter from my perspective because if I am right I am still passing 2♥ with an additional jack. Regardless, if 2♥ is forcing I need to change my understanding. 1) In any of my partnerships (including all my pickup partnerships) you have enough to open. 2) 2♥ is forcing in all of these partnerships as well. There are different agreements that people have where your hand would not be enough, or 2♥ would not be forcing, but in general a new suit by an unpassed responder is always forcing--he doesn't have an obvious other way to describe shape and strength while preserving bidding room. Some people play that 2♥ here is even game forcing, but for that you need other specific agreements. These 5♠ 4♥ hands are tricky to respond to 1 minor. Some people play that: 1m-2♥ = 5+S 4+H and constructive values 1m-2♠ = 5+S 4+H and invitational values 1m-1♠; Blah-2♥ = 5+S 4+H and GF values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 We had a thread like this about 2 years ago, and the consensous was clear, 2♥ is forcing. New suits by responder are forcing unless: -Specifically agreed otherwise-After 1NT rebid You can go in depth and explain why this should not be a specific one (you need a forcing cheap bid for when you are strong!). But the real thing is: if you didn´t specifically agreed anything, it is forcing. And every pickup expert partnership that creates for a casual play will play it as forcing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 Looking at the hand diagram I do not see the S hand passing first. Not sure why you are afraid to have bid again, 3N could be just around the corner. Just bid again, passing is not your decision to make. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 2H should be forcing.... The only question is it natural or artificial ? If you play " cheapest " new suit forcing over a rebid of a minor, it "could be artificial" . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - AK, A .... is not too weak to open. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 2H should be forcing.... The only question is it natural or artificial ? If you play " cheapest " new suit forcing over a rebid of a minor, it "could be artificial" .And a good question it is. Again, I won't presume to declare whether it IS natural; only what we choose (all forcing, of course): 1C-1M2C-2D....artificial 1D-1S2D-2H....natural (because of the space consumed by a raise) 1D-1H2D-2S....articial The 2nd sequence (OP), is more likely to find 4-card support for responder's rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I'm not sure there is really any blame to hand out here. You thought 2♥ was NF and so "correctly" passed with your minimum; partner thought 2♥ was natural and forcing so made the obvious bid. If either of you suspected that there might be a misunderstanding, different bids would have been chosen. Although it is true that most pairs would play 2♥ as forcing, I feel that 3NT by South is more practical than 2♥. Yes you might miss a 4-4 ♥ fit, but equally, you don't pinpoint the ♣ weakness (and you avoid the problem of partner potentially misunderstanding your bid!). I accept that many others might not share this view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 It is very standard that PD's 2♥ is forcing, PD is way off with his comment about opening this. I don't want to play with PD's who don't open this hand. As Eric states, a 3NT bid from PD would be a good practical shot as he'd love a ♥ lead and a 4-4 fit isn't all that likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 3NT might be chosen with that hand by a lot of players, but I don't see it as "practical" to eschew possible 8-card fits in both majors (or either major) with a suit-oriented hand. If we accidentally got to 4H on this one, I would be delighted. 3NT is a bit shakey and ten tricks in hearts seem quite easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Agree with everyone else. 1D opening is fine, 2H is 100% forcing. You would bid 2S if you had 3 - but here just rebid your diamonds. 3NT looks impossible though (on a club lead) :( ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted January 22, 2012 Report Share Posted January 22, 2012 Agree with everyone else. 1D opening is fine, 2H is 100% forcing. You would bid 2S if you had 3 - but here just rebid your diamonds. 3NT looks impossible though (on a club lead) :( ahydra I'd consider bidding 3♥ as well as 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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