error in description?

[calm01]

http://tinyurl.com/7wk5ckk

 

Surely if I had the description of 5D bid I would have chosen 4NT or 6D.

[barmar]

I'm not sure what you mean. You couldn't see the description of 5♦ before you bid it?

 

GIB thinks the right bid after 3♦ with the South hand is 3NT. North will pass this, and it will go down 1.

 

If you want to insist on ♦, bid 4♦. This is game forcing, and North will bid 5♦. This also goes down 1 (3NT on a spade lead needs the same club finesse).

[Bbradley62]

It appears to me that Calm01 is suggesting that this should be a fast-arrival situation. With a game-going hand that is not interested in slam, he thinks the system should be to simply bid game over 3♦.

[barmar]

The part I didn't understand was "if I had the description of 5D bid". Now I get it -- he's saying that if he had the hand GIB thinks 5♦ showed, he would have bid something other than 5♦.

 

I'm not sure what's normal here. Fast arrival is generally used for majors, generally not for NT, and I don't know about minors.

 

Here's what I think the logic of the current rules is:

 

GIB's normal approach after MSS with only a game-strength hand is to either show shortness or bid 3NT if it doesn't have any. If it wants to explore for slam and doesn't have shortness, 4♦ would invite opener to cue bid with a max. If iyou don't bother requesting cue bids, the inference is that trump quality is what you need to know (this is the same reason that jumping to 5 of a major is a trump quality ask, although there it's more obvious because you've jumped past game).