Vampyr Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Do you work anywhere near the San Fernando Valley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 Right!I have a friend who heavily overuses "In other words". Conversation: Me: It's about time for lunch.Friend: In other words you are saying you are getting hungry.Me: Yes. I am thinking of going to the deli, want to join me?Friend: In other words, you might get a sandwich and would like me to come along. Right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 BTW, I guess we actally all more or less have certain phrases that we pretty much sort of misuse, you know. Rik 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 So, there was like this guy, right, who like was totally into me, right, and he was like "Hey." And I was like "Hey." And, like,... I have to admit that even with my love of the flexibility of the English language, this particular phrasing (which is old enough, at least in the "was like" == "said" form, for managers to be using it from childhood) really annoys me. And if you think I'm exaggerating above, I was in a line for food at a hockey game, and I counted 20 "likes" in the conversation in front of me in about a minute, including 6, like, in one like sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 'They have good players but not a team' said like it is some great deep wisdom, never heard before. 'The lottery/tragedy of penalties.' No, tossing a coin would be a lottery. Your inane alternatives are tragical. Penalty shootouts are fun and there is very real skill involved on both sides, not just nerves. And what's wrong with nerves anyway? Boo hoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 29, 2014 Report Share Posted June 29, 2014 BTW, I guess we actally all more or less have certain phrases that we pretty much sort of misuse, you know. RikFYP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Replying to "X is a jerk." with "He has always been nice to me." as if it disproved the former statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 The classic Reganism: "Stay the course." Ronald Reagan used this phrase once to mean exactly the opposite of what it actually means, and it is adopted by the populace without thinking. How many people still know that "Stay the course" means to stop and change, not to continue onward unchanged? EDIT: After all these years, I was very sure about this. I no longer am, having checked some sources that actually agree with Reagan's interpretation of the phrase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 The classic Reganism: "Stay the course." Ronald Reagan used this phrase once to mean exactly the opposite of what it actually means, and it is adopted by the populace without thinking. How many people still know that "Stay the course" means to stop and change, not to continue onward unchanged? Depends on context. It's meant to keep on going in a horse racing context for 150 years+, and many people used it for that long before Reagan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 'The lottery/tragedy of penalties.' No, tossing a coin would be a lottery. Your inane alternatives are tragical. Penalty shootouts are fun and there is very real skill involved on both sides, not just nerves. And what's wrong with nerves anyway? Boo hoo.I am curious, what proposed alternatives are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I am curious, what proposed alternatives are you referring to?Proposed alternatives that I know of: Continue playing for the "golden goal".Take one player away from each team and play for a golden goal. (If no score after n minutes take away another player.)Ice hockey (or field hockey) like shootouts: player gets the ball relatively far away from the goal and is supposed to score while continuously moving forward.Play a rematch.My feelings are similar to gwnn's. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 'They have good players but not a team' said like it is some great deep wisdom, never heard before. Usually said by those who have to fill air time.My favorite, from American football, is "They have to move the ball down the field and put some points on the scoreboard". This idea has presumably not occurred to the quarterback or the audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 My favorite, from American football, is "They have to move the ball down the field and put some points on the scoreboard". This idea has presumably not occurred to the quarterback or the audience.From association football: "Now it starts raining. The spectators are getting wet". I always turn the sound off when watching footie, but of course I can't do that when other people want to watch it as well. Apparently the idiotic commentary is an essential part of the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I am curious, what proposed alternatives are you referring to?The most famous one is eliminating one player from each side every 5 minutes and see who scores first. They also tried one-on-one runs like in ice hockey but I don't see how nerves are not a part of that, too. "The side who had the most corners" is something I heard more than once too but I guess they were just trying to come up with something ridiculous on purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Remove the goalkeepers and then play 2x10 minutes more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Remove the goalkeepers and then play 2x10 minutes more?Why not remove the outfield players instead while we're having fun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberlour10 Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 Penalty shootouts are fun and there is very real skill involved on both sides, not just nerves. . how about penalties like in ice-hockey. player runs from the middle point, keeper must stay in the penalty box. player and ball has to move only forwards, every foul on him = goal. would be funny to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 The most famous one is eliminating one player from each side every 5 minutes and see who scores first. They also tried one-on-one runs like in ice hockey but I don't see how nerves are not a part of that, too. "The side who had the most corners" is something I heard more than once too but I guess they were just trying to come up with something ridiculous on purpose.In local high school soccer, there are no shootouts. Indeed, if the game is tied at the end of two 15 minute overtime periods, the team with the most corner kicks is the winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted June 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 how about penalties like in ice-hockey. player runs from the middle point, keeper must stay in the penalty box. player and ball has to move only forwards, every foul on him = goal. would be funny to watch.I'm not a big fan but the few of them I saw were fun to watch, but not really more fun or as spectacular as the good old penalty shootout. I saw them once in the TIM triangle friendly tournament and one other time. Like I said above, though, would it really eliminate the perceived luck factor or nerves? I don't see how. Similarly, how does it address the criticism that it does not reflect "real skill"? Actually penalties come up more frequently than real one-on-ones (where the defenders are hopelessly far away). I remember Raul in 2000 (vs Valencia) or Fernando Torres vs Barcelona in 2012 but it doesn't really come up in real football. Neither does 9 against 9. Just step up and put the ball in the top corner, don't complain about the lottery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 From association football: "Now it starts raining. The spectators are getting wet". I always turn the sound off when watching footie, but of course I can't do that when other people want to watch it as well. Apparently the idiotic commentary is an essential part of the experience. This one happens so often in spannish ones: It would be good to score now (or before the half ends) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Ah, some of those ideas I had heard before, and some not. Among them, a hockey-style shootout doesn't really seem all that different from the current shootout; and reducing number of players does not seem terrible. Removing keepers is something I have heard proposed for local youth soccer, along with (I'm not making this up) putting two balls in play. Most corners seems pretty weird. Refs would have to track this now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 How about a penalty shootout with penalties taken from the edge of the 18-yard box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 How about a penalty shootout with penalties taken from the edge of the 18-yard box? I've thought this, or 2 from the penalty spot, 2 from the edge of the box (possibly one slightly left of centre, one slightly right), 2 from the middle of the D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Pet peeve: thread drift. Could we take this ongoing discussion of penalty kicks to the World Cup thread, or start a new thread specific to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Pet peeve That so many of us in the USA who watch or play little to no soccer are fully ready and prepared to tell the rest of the world how to change and improve their game. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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