Phil Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Axx K8xxx Axx KJ Pairs R/W Pass by pard, 1♥ on right. You? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartic Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 1NT - I have a good ♥ stop, and enough strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Pass. The vulnerability and that pard is a passed hand are amongst the deciding factors. The ♣KJ holding isn't that great either. (Edit: corrected ♦ to ♣) Edited January 16, 2012 by Statto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 seems like an easy pass on the forum ....but..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasioc Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Easy pass. I'm vul, my p is a passed hand and in general I'll only bid 1NT with a *good* 15 count - this is not a good 15 after 1H. I have no obvious source of tricks and not a pip in sight. It feels like I need to hit partner with a reasonable suit to be in a good position after bidding this, both in terms of expecting to make 1NT and in terms of what we'll do now if doubled. Unlike Quartic I don't think my heart stop is actually particularly good (not a massive priority for me when evaluating this but thought I'd mention), given that my highest card apart from the K is the 8. I'd much rather have shorter hearts with better pips and some useful length elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I learn on the forums to pass with 5 cards in opponent's major, and this is regardless of strenght. I try to keep doing it and don;t see this hand remotelly close to be an exception. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Yucky hcp placement and no need to bid. Pass this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I learn on the forums to pass with 5 cards in opponent's major, and this is regardless of strenght. I try to keep doing it and don;t see this hand remotelly close to be an exception.Hmm, I missed that part on the forums. But, I don't think I want to enter the auction in the given case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Pass We have good defence, poor offence......and the odds are far too high that 1N (surely our only possible bid) will end the auction....in which case we need partner to hold the majority of the missing hcp, after placing rho with a minimum opening. Given that he is the only one of the other 3 players to have yet expressed an opinion, and his was 'pass', how can we assume that he will probably hold a pleasant surprse for us? To cement matters, on some of the hands on which his hand makes an overcall 'work', he will invite or drive to game....and this is a sub-minimum notrump hand. I love controls, and this hand is above average there, but our length couldn't be in a worse suit, and our spots could hardly be worse than they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Pass is not just a tactic here. We should pass because our hand is simply not good enough to bid 1NT. The honours in the short suits mean it is a fairly poor 15 even before taking into account that our five card suit is breaking terribly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Pass 1nt could be a winner but ONLY if you play systems off. Pard has a lot of cards that are not ♥ but with systems on, you are at the 3 level unless they have spades or stranded in a no-winners 1nt and this hand just ain't worth it. If we belong in the auction, pard may be able to balance, ie if it continues 1nt - 2 clubs passed back to pard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I passed too. It didn't work out so well this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I can't o/c 1NT at this vul with this hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I passed too. It didn't work out so well this time.Did one of the other players do something to cause that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I passed too. It didn't work out so well this time.so what? Phil, I know you are far too good a player to think that an action (or inaction) should be judged, in any meaningful way, by how it fared on any given hand. In any event, as the posts here demonstrate, passing will not usually lead directly to a poor result....you would usually have company. At teams, unless it were a short match, I would expect to beat any team comprised of players who think this is a good overcall. At mps, I expect to do well in a field filled with such players.....let them have this one, I'll beat them on judgment in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 so what? Phil, I know you are far too good a player to think that an action (or inaction) should be judged, in any meaningful way, by how it fared on any given hand. In any event, as the posts here demonstrate, passing will not usually lead directly to a poor result....you would usually have company. At teams, unless it were a short match, I would expect to beat any team comprised of players who think this is a good overcall. At mps, I expect to do well in a field filled with such players.....let them have this one, I'll beat them on judgment in the long run. Thanks Mike. Honestly my pard was having a rough day, and had a lot of tough decisions. He chose not to preempt this hand - he held a 2227 and AQxxxxx of clubs, which I understand (but don't agree with), but I think this is an easy overcall if he chooses to pass. I was looking for some places to take some charges - and I guess I convinced myself this was closer than I thought LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 This is not even close. I mean in general 15 opposite a passed hand r/w should not overcall 1N unless it has good positional values (AQT of hearts or whatever). When you have king fifth of hearts and your only spot is the 8, that is horrible, as the spots will come into play. Also, your long suit will not produce a source of tricks obviously, you should always be downgrading when you have length in their length since the value of a 5 card suit is now negative. And of course if they rip you you have less of a chance to be able to run anywhere successfully. I would pass even if you gave me another point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quartic Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 On second thought, I think I prefer pass after all. For me its quite a close decision, and I might go either way at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bd71 Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 This is not even close. I mean in general 15 opposite a passed hand r/w should not overcall 1N unless it has good positional values (AQT of hearts or whatever). When you have king fifth of hearts and your only spot is the 8, that is horrible, as the spots will come into play. Also, your long suit will not produce a source of tricks obviously, you should always be downgrading when you have length in their length since the value of a 5 card suit is now negative. And of course if they rip you you have less of a chance to be able to run anywhere successfully. I would pass even if you gave me another point. What if that point were the JH? Seems to me that would push us into a decent 1N call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 What if that point were the JH? Seems to me that would push us into a decent 1N call. Not really. Unless you happen to find some entries in dummy, you might end up being forced to play hearts from hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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