dwar0123 Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sq53hkjt7532dq2cq&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1dp1hp2n3c]133|200[/hv] What would your call be and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 3H. Why? I do have a decent 7 card suit after all. I don't see why this hand is even posted as a problem, to be honest, unless you think 3H is not forcing. It is for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 I'd go 4H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Me too. I don't see how 3H can be superior. Even if LHO bids 5C now, we have an easy dbl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Me too. I don't see how 3H can be superior. Even if LHO bids 5C now, we have an easy dbl. 3H will be superior if we reach an easy slam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 FWIW I would bid 4C which I think more clearly indicates that I have s slam try in hearts with short clubs, bidding 3H could be looking for 3N etc. Also, this will help partner judge if they do bid 5C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 ~6.5 losers vs an expected 5 cover cards across.. I doubt slam is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 I don't know what losers are but doesn't that imply Qx of diamonds is the same as xx diamonds? "I doubt slam is good" seems pretty presumptuous, I would bet on slam being good if partner drove there over 4C and we had the right amount of keycards but maybe not. A problem with our hand is that partner will love a holding like AQx of hearts when really that is not so great, so a hand like KJx AQx AT9x Axx partner will probably drive and slam will be very bad. But this is a pretty specific layout, where our DQ is a useless card. If you change it to something like Ax AQx AKxxx xxx slam is great. Or Kx AQx AJTxx Axx at least we are on a probably winning finesse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Well, I dunno. Maybe you're right. I'm just not sure we can sort all this out with certainty. Also, if we bid 4H maybe LHO is more likely to be quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caky_ Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 3♣ means = u might have slam in ♥ (%75) i would bid 4 ♣ ( i have an agreement about it sets ♥ as trump) and also we can stop in 5 h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000magic Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 4♥ looks about right to me. I'll be interested in seeing what RHO holds. I'd expect clubs and diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) 3♥ slow arrival, because we just might have a slam on. If pard bids 3NT, we bid 4♥, which should convey the message that we were too good for a shut out 4♥, yet have lots of ♥, inviting further enquiries if they think their hand may be working well with ours. That we have shortness in ♣ is probably a given. It does allow LHO to bid 4♣, but I think we're always going to at least 5♥ if pushed. Edit: if we had 2 small ♣ we would probably jump to 4♥, so I think 3♥ followed by 4♥ has some implication that we have a stiff (or void) ♣ Edited January 16, 2012 by Statto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 To the 4H bidders - would you not bid 4H even without the D Q? That card is huge.After all, partner is advertising an 18-19 point hand here. It is not difficult to construct decent slam handsOver partner's possible 3S I can bid 4D to show a D honour, (well, it does for me anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 It's huge if pard has a strong suit there, which is hardly a lock. But yeah, I guess if you run a sim slam will be good most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwar0123 Posted January 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Well here is the full deal. 5/6 of the tables were down in some number of hearts or nt, so kudos to those that wanted to be cautious, I was not among you. [hv=pc=n&s=sq53hkjt7532dq2cq&w=skt8764hqdjt43c42&n=sa92h8dak9876cak5&e=sjha964d5cjt98763]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 OOOOOPS... another victim of dreaded sayc and 2/1 "lack of bid for strong 2 type of hands" :) The standard sayc and 2/1 solution with North's hand is a 3C rebid (I happen to totally disagree, but that's another story lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Well here is the full deal. 5/6 of the tables were down in some number of hearts or nt, so kudos to those that wanted to be cautious, I was not among you. [hv=pc=n&s=sq53hkjt7532dq2cq&w=skt8764hqdjt43c42&n=sa92h8dak9876cak5&e=sjha964d5cjt98763]399|300[/hv]We haven't seen it in awhile, but this is another hand for a "GGG" = Gnasher's Gameforce Gadget ( eventho he doesn't take credit for its origin. ) .... 2S!-jump over a 1H Response to show a variety of GF hands: 1D - 1H2S! - 2NT! = ask for clarification ??.. 3C! = ( other minor ) 2S was real = 4 cards ♠, GF.. 3D! = long ♦ suit; NO 4 cards ♠ , GF.. 3H! = 3 cards ♥, 5+♦, NO 4 cards ♠ , GF After:3D! - 3H = extra length3NT - ?? I bet Responder would pass instead of bidding 4D Soooo, not a good result either... since you said 3NT goes down.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Edit: Auction still ends up in NT even with interference: 1D - ( p ) - 1H2S! -( 3C ) - 3H 3NT Edited January 17, 2012 by TWO4BRIDGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 What's wrong with a 3D rebid? The North cards aren't a game force opposite one of my 1H responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Really? You never respond with like... Jxx of diamonds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 And that is probably the first sarcastic comment I've ever made to Frances :) I think it is really pessimistic to avoid 3N with that hand whatever partner has responded on. At least they are probably not leading a heart and even if they do they probably split since they didn't overcall 1H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 OK, but I really hate the 2NT rebid which isn't game forcing either and also misdescribes the shape... 3D is not really weaker (in terms of playing strength) than 2NT.Isn't partner going to pass 2NT on his putative xxx Q10xx Jxxx xx as well? If you want to call it a game force, then rebid 3NT showing a strong hand with long diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Def agree with the hate of 2N for the same reason. I do not find bidding 3C to be unpalatable at all personally, we do have AKx. But I just think this is a common enough hand type (and especially 1363) that partner should be aware in standard bidding we might have only 3 clubs, will preference to 3D with a doubleton often, etc. If partner insisted on clubs after 1D 1H 3C 4C 4D I would be quite happy with my hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 We haven't seen it in awhile, but this is another hand for a "GGG" = Gnasher's Gameforce Gadget ( eventho he doesn't take credit for its origin. ) .... 2S!-jump over a 1H Response to show a variety of GF hands: 1D - 1H2S! - 2NT! = ask for clarification Out of interest, what would a 3♥ rebid by Responder be here instead of the 2NT relay? I am not sure South really cares too much here whether North has 4 spades or whatever. Is it not better to let partner know our hand is (primarily) about hearts. Or, put another way, if we cannot rebid our suit with 7 of them the 2♠ bid is practically a puppet rather than a relay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Out of interest, what would a 3♥ rebid by Responder be here instead of the 2NT relay? I am not sure South really cares too much here whether North has 4 spades or whatever. Is it not better to let partner know our hand is (primarily) about hearts. Or, put another way, if we cannot rebid our suit with 7 of them the 2♠ bid is practically a puppet rather than a relay.Good point. I had not thought about it before.1D - 1H2S! - 3H = good 6 or 7 card ♥ suit; denies interest in ♠ or ♦ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I dont get it, doesnt 1d-1M-3N show this hand? A hand with diamonds too good to rebid 3d? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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