ArtK78 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 IMP pairs (ACBL game on BBO). You pick up: [hv=pc=n&w=skq43hq97642dckt8&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=1d1hdp2c2hdppp]133|200[/hv] Note: The opening bid by East may be made on as few as 10HCP at this vulnerability. (1) Do you agree with the negative double over 1♥?(2) Do you agree with the penalty double of 2♥?(3) What is your lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveharty Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 1. yes2. yes3. club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 (1) Yes.(2) I don't agree that double should be penalties, but if we play it as that I'm delighted to be able to make one.(3) ♣8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000magic Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 1. No. (It would be helpful to know partner's proclivities in reopening, but this still looks like a massive misfit; I prefer to let the opponents play massive misfits.)2. Yes, if it's played for penalties. As the original negative double should show short hearts, this double would also show short hearts, so the penalty interpretation is, at best, tenuous.3. ♣8 By the way, against a competent declarer, prepare to be endplayed in trumps at least once. Unfortunately, partner's likely void, so he won't be able to lead trumps through declarer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 1) Easy yes. I don't want to defend at the one level with this. 2) Yes. I'm not 100% sure if double is penalty, but I think it should be. I'm over the bidder and we have not found a fit. This looks a parallel to: 1♦ - pass - pass - 1♥2♦ - Dbl Which I play as penalties, although most seem to play it as responsive. By the way, it seems partner might be pulling this from the sound of the auction? 3) Club 8. Looks like a logical place to establish tricks, although I do not love it. I'll let the genii lead the ♣T and explain how they are catering to AJx in dummy and 9x in declarer's hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 1- yes 2-yes 3-♣ Of course looking at the title of topic and where it is posted and the questions u asked, since everything we did so far seems reasonable, i expect them to make this 2♥ :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 yuck.. I suppose I'd reproduce this auction. Now ♠K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Yes, yes and the club 8, as with most here. If I had to make another lead, it would be the club K, but that is too prone to mishap, not to mention declarer with Qxx and partner with AJxx :D The spade K seems very wrong to me.....we probably don't need to play spades now, even when we hold one or both of the A and J, and if we are off both cards, we will regret the K lead. Since partner has announced minors, the odds just seem better that he has cards where the club lead works than where it doesn't and a spade would have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Very surprised by the answers to 1, especially "I don't want to defend at the one level with this." We are white/red, we have a void in partners suit, 6 trumps, and good defense, and not even enough where we are sure for game. If we got to defend 1H X I would be extremely happy. If the reason for doubling is that it might hurt our later auction too much assuming we don't get to defend 1H X, then I could see that, but not wanting to defend 1H X seems really weird. I think the possibility of it happening is too high (since our void is in partners suit, they could easily have no effective place to run, or if they do it could be diamonds and they might have trouble figuring that out) to give up on it at this vul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Here is the whole hand: http://tinyurl.com/7tm29cj The auction went as advertised, and I made the mistake of leading a top spade, handing declarer his 8th trick. I have not bothered to expend the energy needed to determine if declarer could make 8 tricks on a low club lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Here is the whole hand: http://tinyurl.com/7tm29cj The auction went as advertised, and I made the mistake of leading a top spade, handing declarer his 8th trick. I have not bothered to expend the energy needed to determine if declarer could make 8 tricks on a low club lead. Double Dummy analysis upto GIB lead of ♠K= 9 tricks for declarer lead of small ♣ = 8 tricks for declarer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Double Dummy analysis upto GIB lead of ♠K= 9 tricks for declarer lead of small ♣ = 8 tricks for declarer repeated endplays are fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 So Justin did well, conceding only 360 when the rest of us lost 670. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 So Justin did well, conceding only 360 when the rest of us lost 670. I doubt it South will bid 2♥ over DBL (at least i would) and if did not, there is a chance North can be creative and come up with a S.o.S rdbl Now that i see all hands, i lead small spade :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 So Justin did well, conceding only 360 when the rest of us lost 670.Many of us would do even better....we'd play a style in which an opening bid showed an opening bid. Had East held one, our chances would have been somewhat better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Many of us would do even better....we'd play a style in which an opening bid showed an opening bid. Had East held one, our chances would have been somewhat better.From OP: Note: The opening bid by East may be made on as few as 10HCP at this vulnerability. So this should not be a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 lead of small ♣ = 8 tricks for declarerThe declarer play to make 8 tricks seems inspired. I doubt many would find it at the table... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 The declarer play to make 8 tricks seems inspired. I doubt many would find it at the table...I don't think it's that that hard to find. The bidding and lead make it obvious that LHO is 4603 or conceivably 4702. It's also obvious that the right line is to score as many trumps as we can, so a club ruff at trick two is clear. Having done that, what can you possibly do except lead a low spade, perhaps after cashing a top trump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 The declarer play to make 8 tricks seems inspired. I doubt many would find it at the table... I agree, not many would. But a good declarer can solve or come very close to explore the EW shape by just listening to bidding imo. DBL of 1♥ (assuming was std and showed exactly 4♠) 1♦ and then 2♣, i think this is 5-4 due to lack of ♦ lead. This makes East 3154 and west 4603. It will come down to which card to play from dummy when/if west plays a small ♠. Seems very tuff to get it right but i think east may help declarer with his discard on 2nd ♥. Actually if spade honors are split, defense could defeat him i guess so maybe he will have to play west for KQ spades. I admit i maybe influenced by knowing 4 hands but a focused declarer wld get it right imo :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 From OP: Note: The opening bid by East may be made on as few as 10HCP at this vulnerability. So this should not be a surprise.I didn't say it was a surprise...I only implied that many of us would not find ourselves in this position.....those who open light rarely recognize the problems they generate...altho, admittedly, the same can be said for those who open conservatively. I don't go -360 or worse on this hand....but I will get poor scores on some other hands by being conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I don't think it's that that hard to find. The bidding and lead make it obvious that LHO is 4603 or conceivably 4702. It's also obvious that the right line is to score as many trumps as we can, so a club ruff at trick two is clear. Having done that, what can you possibly do except lead a low spade, perhaps after cashing a top trump?Andy beat me to an almost identical tho more verbose (why is no-one surprised) post. I would expect any good player to make this easily. We start by assuming that we can't let E on play....so W has to hold the spade cards...then it's trivial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 East could possibly be 3244 with West 4513, though the distribution does seem to be fairly marked. Seems very tuff to get it right but i think east may help declarer with his discard on 2nd ♥.You don't want to play a 2nd round of ♥. After ♣A, ♣ ruff, ♥A, next I think small ♠ to the Jack is best. I admit i maybe influenced by knowing 4 hands but a focused declarer wld get it right imo :)I admit to being influenced by playing it through a DD Solver :) It would make an interesting play problem... B-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 You don't want to play a 2nd round of ♥. After ♣A, ♣ ruff, ♥A, next I think small ♠ to the Jack is best. Tell me what difference does it make and i will say uncle. I play A of ♥ and then J of ♥, your turn..It is same bro :) See Andy and Mikeh's post. I was being moderate about thinking that most wld not but a good declarer shd get it right. They think it is very easy for good players and i wldnt be surprised to see this is a true statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Tell me what difference does it make and i will say uncle. I play A of ♥ and then J of ♥, your turn..It is same bro :) Swap ♣K and ♣Q between the hands (we're told 1♦ only promised 10hcp), and ♠ at trick 4 still works whereas ♥ gives defenders a chance. (Or maybe West sheds ♣K when you ruff the ♣, tho this probably gives the game away anyway.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 (we're told 1♦ only promised 10hcp)Sorry, that's irrelevant, East gains a hcp from the K/Q swap :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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