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2DWTP for me. I'm not counting either of the side queens at full value here. I don't open weak twos with two outside stoppers, and in close cases tend to open the hands with 2 defensive tricks with 1 and those without with the weak two.

 

Apparently I am showing my age, if I am surprised to even see the question posted, and the first two respondents both opened with 1.

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2DWTP for me. I'm not counting either of the side queens at full value here. I don't open weak twos with two outside stoppers, and in close cases tend to open the hands with 2 defensive tricks with 1 and those without with the weak two.

 

Apparently I am showing my age, if I am surprised to even see the question posted, and the first two respondents both opened with 1.

 

 

 

2d is just fine if it shows this hand ...of course in expert world, 2d very often does not show this but as I said if system permits.

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in the partnership known as the Misadventures of Rex and Jay this is 2. We use 20 plus two quick tricks. Even without demerits for unguarded honors this hand does not quality unless you round the one and a half QT up.

 

Second seat weak two should be sound since one Opp has passed. Toss up if it our hand or theirs but I am comfortable starting the auction this way.

 

If 2 was not available I would pass or call 1!D depending on the agreed standard for a one bid. E.g 1 playing Precision and pass if weak 2 banned playing KS

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My second seat preempts tend to be sound:

Six card suits, two of the top three honors, no voids, no 4 card majors on the side.

 

The suit quality and the shape are clearly right for a 2 opening.

 

The big question is where the Quacks on the side means that the hand is too strong or has too much defense for a 2 opening...

 

I think that this hand is right on the edge. For me, what tips the scale is the fact that I have Qx in one suit and QJ tight in the other.

 

For me, this hand simply isn't strong enough to consider 1 (let alone 1NT)

I can't bear to pass, so 2 it is...

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2 for me playing with typical SAYC or 2/1 PD's or the random good/expert player from another continent who specifies 5 card majors. I'm fine with 1 playing a limited opening system (forcing ) or if you've agreed to open a bit light. This hand's pair of dub-quacks justify some downgrade to me and it is OK to be at the tippity top of the range in 2nd seat for 2. If pard makes any move over that I am happy to be in game and the suit is quite fine.
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I understand 1 in 1st seat. This is an easy 2 opener in 4th or its Andy's 1N opening in 3rd.

 

However, in 2nd, we are already presumed to be sound. Does the presence of a QJ + Qx really elevate it to a one bid?

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Opening 2D might be very bad if it's a hand where partner has to decide whether or not to save. It will work well if they are declaring and have to guess some black suits. How bad it will be if it is your hand for 3N depends on your style, if you are a sound preemptor it probably won't work so badly. Likewise, the success of 1D might depend on how light you can open. Personally I don't hate 2D but I would open 1D.
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Kx xxx AQTxxx xx

 

Is that hand really worse than than the hand shown??

if you open this one 1d than by all means open the

given hand 1d. The downside of 1d opener are numerous

 

1. little defense

2. no preemption on a hand with little defense

3. if auction becomes competitive we are poorly placed

if p has decided to x opps and we never get a chance to

show our dia length.

 

2d shows a hand with dia length a suit of about this

quality and just about this amount of defense. The

downside of 2d is what to do if p bids 2n. while you

are indeed maximum you have no stopper and 3n is normally

reserved for solid suit. I have to admit if presented

with this problem (p bidding 2n) i would bid 3c and have

my SORRY PARTNER card all ready to go when opps take first

7 club tricks with 6d being cold. 2d also provides a small

amount of preemption. 2d also gets where I live off my chest

and might allow a quick easy decision for p.

 

If 2d is not available I would opt for 3d before I would bid 1d.

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Kx xxx AQTxxx xx

Is that hand really worse than than the hand shown??

That hand is better, but that isn't the determining factor. That side KX and the diamond suit are pure for evaluating total tricks...which is what we want partner to be able to do when we make an opening two or 3-bid and competition follows. It doesn't matter whether the KX is onside or offside. One more trick for us is one less for them.

 

The other side of the issue on what a preempt should or should not look like are content to wreak havoc via "first strike", and hope that is enough to win the board. We accept that our preempts are less random while taking up some room for the opponents...hopefully to be made up for by partner's knowing participation.

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I used to pass with hands similar to this (see my original forum posts for example), but there is a downside to that also. I still pass sometimes, but it's not like since 1D and 2D are both flawed pass is best.

 

The problem which is what happened at the table was

 

p p p 1S

p 2D p 2S

p ?

 

since nobody passed this hand, it seems I was wrong to.

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