rduran1216 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 QxxxxAQ10xxxQJ What do you open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 1d if system permits. I always think this is a really big deal to discuss just what opening bids promise or do not promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 1♦ for me too. I've played with people who want to be very sound vul in 2nd chair; that's the only circumstance where I'd open 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 2DWTP for me. I'm not counting either of the side queens at full value here. I don't open weak twos with two outside stoppers, and in close cases tend to open the hands with 2 defensive tricks with 1 and those without with the weak two. Apparently I am showing my age, if I am surprised to even see the question posted, and the first two respondents both opened with 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 2DWTP for me. I'm not counting either of the side queens at full value here. I don't open weak twos with two outside stoppers, and in close cases tend to open the hands with 2 defensive tricks with 1 and those without with the weak two. Apparently I am showing my age, if I am surprised to even see the question posted, and the first two respondents both opened with 1. 2d is just fine if it shows this hand ...of course in expert world, 2d very often does not show this but as I said if system permits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Just because it is a very ugly 1 opening with a 6 carder doesnt neccessarily mean it is ok to open weak 2 imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 1D. The QX and QJ doubletons in the black suits might look like nothings on the surface. but they represent surprises (negative adjustments, if u will) to partner's expectations about the offensive potential that the opponents might have ---total trick theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 I'm closer to opening a 15-17 notrump than to 2♦. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 3♦! I'm playing with someone who thinks bad things always happen when his partner makes a weak one-level minor-suit opening, so we play 3m as showing 10-14 points and a good 6-card suit to avoid the temptation to open 1m..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 I'm closer to opening a 15-17 notrump than to 2♦. Andy, i am your #1 fan bro :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrecksVee Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 in the partnership known as the Misadventures of Rex and Jay this is 2♦. We use 20 plus two quick tricks. Even without demerits for unguarded honors this hand does not quality unless you round the one and a half QT up. Second seat weak two should be sound since one Opp has passed. Toss up if it our hand or theirs but I am comfortable starting the auction this way. If 2♦ was not available I would pass or call 1!D depending on the agreed standard for a one bid. E.g 1♦ playing Precision and pass if weak 2♦ banned playing KS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 My second seat preempts tend to be sound:Six card suits, two of the top three honors, no voids, no 4 card majors on the side. The suit quality and the shape are clearly right for a 2♦ opening. The big question is where the Quacks on the side means that the hand is too strong or has too much defense for a 2♦ opening... I think that this hand is right on the edge. For me, what tips the scale is the fact that I have Qx in one suit and QJ tight in the other. For me, this hand simply isn't strong enough to consider 1♦ (let alone 1NT)I can't bear to pass, so 2♦ it is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2000magic Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 2♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 2♦ for me playing with typical SAYC or 2/1 PD's or the random good/expert player from another continent who specifies 5 card majors. I'm fine with 1♦ playing a limited opening system (forcing ♣) or if you've agreed to open a bit light. This hand's pair of dub-quacks justify some downgrade to me and it is OK to be at the tippity top of the range in 2nd seat for 2♦. If pard makes any move over that I am happy to be in game and the suit is quite fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 1D. Too much defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 I understand 1♦ in 1st seat. This is an easy 2♦ opener in 4th or its Andy's 1N opening in 3rd. However, in 2nd, we are already presumed to be sound. Does the presence of a QJ + Qx really elevate it to a one bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Opening 2D might be very bad if it's a hand where partner has to decide whether or not to save. It will work well if they are declaring and have to guess some black suits. How bad it will be if it is your hand for 3N depends on your style, if you are a sound preemptor it probably won't work so badly. Likewise, the success of 1D might depend on how light you can open. Personally I don't hate 2D but I would open 1D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 QxxxxAQ10xxxQJ What do you open? One of my partners insists on "sound" preempts ( 2 of the top 3 honors ), and that is what I have with this 8 loser hand .So I'll open 2♦ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Kx xxx AQTxxx xx Is that hand really worse than than the hand shown?? if you open this one 1d than by all means open thegiven hand 1d. The downside of 1d opener are numerous 1. little defense2. no preemption on a hand with little defense3. if auction becomes competitive we are poorly placedif p has decided to x opps and we never get a chance to show our dia length. 2d shows a hand with dia length a suit of about thisquality and just about this amount of defense. Thedownside of 2d is what to do if p bids 2n. while youare indeed maximum you have no stopper and 3n is normallyreserved for solid suit. I have to admit if presentedwith this problem (p bidding 2n) i would bid 3c and have my SORRY PARTNER card all ready to go when opps take first 7 club tricks with 6d being cold. 2d also provides a small amount of preemption. 2d also gets where I live off my chest and might allow a quick easy decision for p. If 2d is not available I would opt for 3d before I would bid 1d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Kx xxx AQTxxx xxIs that hand really worse than than the hand shown?? That hand is better, but that isn't the determining factor. That side KX and the diamond suit are pure for evaluating total tricks...which is what we want partner to be able to do when we make an opening two or 3-bid and competition follows. It doesn't matter whether the KX is onside or offside. One more trick for us is one less for them. The other side of the issue on what a preempt should or should not look like are content to wreak havoc via "first strike", and hope that is enough to win the board. We accept that our preempts are less random while taking up some room for the opponents...hopefully to be made up for by partner's knowing participation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I decided to pass, apparently that is not good. I saw cons for both 2D and 1D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I used to pass with hands similar to this (see my original forum posts for example), but there is a downside to that also. I still pass sometimes, but it's not like since 1D and 2D are both flawed pass is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I used to pass with hands similar to this (see my original forum posts for example), but there is a downside to that also. I still pass sometimes, but it's not like since 1D and 2D are both flawed pass is best. The problem which is what happened at the table was p p p 1Sp 2D p 2S p ? since nobody passed this hand, it seems I was wrong to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I would probably open a heavy 2 diamonds, but I don't have strong feelings between 1D and 2D in 2nd seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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