gwnn Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 1S-2H-3H-p3NT-p 3H was mistakenly explained as a stop ask when it is a limit raise+. What does the UI suggest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 I think it suggests that opener could have a minimum. Without the UI, you'd expect opener to have extra values, since he's accepting the game invitation. The UI has little effect on expectations about ♥ stoppers, it shows a stopper in both cases (but maybe without the UI you'd expect a double stopper, since he offered 3NT himself). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 For my partnerships, that partner has a heart stopper instead of the "minimal slam try" that would be bidding Frivolous 3NT. Others would be different I would guess; there would be those who would never bid 3NT after 1M-limit raise, or those who mean it as "choice of games" at matchpoints, or... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 If responder thinks that 3NT is systemically natural, the UI suggests bidding 4♥ rather than passing. If responder thinks that 3NT is systemically a slam try with hearts agreed, the UI suggests signing off rather than cue-bidding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Others would be different I would guess; there would be those who would never bid 3NT after 1M-limit raise, or those who mean it as "choice of games" at matchpoints, or...That is the case in this partnership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 well, then the UI says "hey, partner, I got a heart stopper" but it also says "I don't realize you have a spade fit". Having said that, the AI says "partner, I got a heart stopper". So, I think if 4♠ will play better than 3NT with the hand that the LR has - or it "looks like" it will - then we allow 4♠. The problem with this is that the TD is going to have to determine on what hands "this pair" or "this class of pair" will sit for 3NT choice of games, and that's *very tough* if you don't know them. For instance, I will almost never do it, especially with a potential ruff or an xxx suit; another player at my club would do it at least 1 time in 3, maybe 1 in 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 4 or 5 card majors ? Strong or weak no trump ? Need more information. In the 4 card major auction, this could still be a 4-3 fit with a strong no trump hand held by opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 What are responder's logical alternatives? Could one demonstrably be suggested over another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 What are responder's logical alternatives?pass and 4♠. (I should have included this in the opening post I guess - sorry!) Could one demonstrably be suggested over another?This was the question from the opening post. I intentionally did not include a hand. 4 or 5 card majors ? Strong or weak no trump ? Need more information.5 card majors, strong NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 1S-2H-3H-p3NT-p 3H was mistakenly explained as a stop ask when it is a limit raise+. What does the UI suggest? The UI suggests bidding 4S because partner doesn't know we have a spade fit.It's possible that responder has no LA to 4S, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamford Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 If responder thinks that 3NT is systemically natural, the UI suggests bidding 4♥ rather than passing.I don't think the UI suggests bidding 4♥. East's hand might suggest that however - heart void and good trumps, perhaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 I don't think the UI suggests bidding 4♥. East's hand might suggest that however - heart void and good trumps, perhapsI meant 4♠, sorry. Or, more generally, it suggests bidding anything that implies spade support over anything that doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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