How forcing is this?

[Hanoi5]

Pa-1♦-1♠-2♥

2♠-Pa*-Pa-3♥**

Pa-???

 

2♥ is 11+ (10+ also possible I suppose or is FG playable there?)

 

Is the Pass over 2♠ forcing? What would double show?

Is 3♥ forcing? Are there hands where responder is just 'competing'? How do you manage those (in case 3♥ is not forcing)?

[blackshoe]

I would not play 2♥ as FG here. The pass over 2♠ is not forcing. Double would show diamonds and clubs and not quite enough to bid unilaterally. 3♥ is not forcing, it shows extra heart length and probably a decent suit. If responder wants to force he can bid 3♠. My opinions, anyway.

[Mbodell]

What would opener do with a minimum opener with 4=1=4=4 or similar shapes? Presumably make a non-forcing pass of 2♠. X by opener would likely show minors, and no spade stop. By the heart bidder in the balancing seat it would be a DSIP type X, possibly with tolerance for a pass while not being penalty. 3♥ is not forcing. 3♠ is pretty much the only forcing bid.

[whereagles]

One possibility is to play 2NT here as lebensohl. In that case 3H would be forcing; the weaker hands going via 2NT.

 

Without that gadget I guess 3H is NF. With a force responder could have bid a new suit or 3S.

[gwnn]

Not forcing at all. In fact I think opener will pass most often. Could 2NT here* be played also as a good 3♥ bid? I think so. I'm still trying to find that thread where I suggested such a usage (suggested some general rules upon which gnasher improved in said thread).

 

*instead of 3♥.

[Hanoi5]

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How do you propose the bidding to continue?

[whereagles]

Bidding is not an exact science. Missing this game is normal, I think.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

#1 playing 2H as GF is certainly possible, but I doubt it is standard.

Most would play a 2H forcing as either promising another call or just round forcing.

#2 Pass over 2S should be forcing, if 2H was at least promising another bid, if 2H

was just round forcing, ... I still would play Pass as forcing.

Espesially, if you play X of 2S as T/O, and the frequency for a T/O will still be higher,

than the frequency for a penalty double.

#3 Unless 2H was GF, 3H is NF.

 

#4 Missing this one is normal. You have no wastage what soever.

 

#5 We play 2NT over 2S as Good-Bad.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Fluffy]

2♥ is forcing, so IMO pass of 2♠ is forcing too, and pass of anything below 3♦ would be forcing as well.

[gnasher]

If East bids 3♥, I think West should raise to game. xxx KQJxxx xx Kx might be enough.

[jillybean]

How do you propose the bidding to continue?

West should pass' date=' East will bid 3[he'] and West can raise to game.

[the_dude]

Certainly 3♥ is not forcing under normal 2/1 agreements. Most follow the meta rule that in a competitive 2/1 auction, responders second bid is not forcing if he a) rebids his suit, b) returns to openers suit, or c) bids 2NT.

 

As for missing this particular game, no big deal. I suppose Opener could make an inspired raise to 4, but no one would shoot him if he didn't. It's a 21 point game where neither player has a Queen or Jack and every single high card is working overtime. That's impossible to judge accurately. (note that you still require a 3-2 trump split, it's only a ~68% game).

[Charlie Yu]

I usually play 3♥ as "almost forcing". That means partner should raise game unless he has a misfit (void ♥) minimum.

[mike777]

I dont get it.....are you guys really bidding gamehere.....

 

for nonexperts getting to 3h seems hard...and a guess ....

 

I guess I would bid 3 /2