Finch Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 [hv=pc=n&s=sat9852hq93dcq632&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=p2s(Weak)dp2n(lebensohl)p3sd4hp4n(keycard)p5d(0/3%20keycards)p5h(very%20slow)p6hppp]133|200[/hv] You ask about the 5D bid and are told it shows 0 (or 3) keycards, and that they have no way of showing a void in response to keycard. LHO says his partner is allowed to raise with 'extra values' or with a void.Your lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Club. Seems like opps have overbid and so there's no reason to panic and cash out. At least not just yet :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 (edited) It's not clear what our objective is here. Do I know my opponents? If RHO has a spade void, we should lead a club and hope for the best. However, that's not likely to work - it will need partner to have ♣K and declarer not to pick up trumps. If RHO doesn't have a void but slam makes, we're probably going to get the score adjusted back to 5♥ - nobody will accept the argument that he is allowed to bid 6♥ because he has an extra king. What if RHO doesn't have a void but we can beat it anyway, by means of ♠A and a heart trick? If I let it through on the lead, the score will be adjusted to 5♥=, but 6♥-1 would have been better. That sort of layout seems quite likely given LHO's comments, but it depends on what I know about the opponents. If I don't know them, I lead ♠A, playing for RHO not to understand the rules. Edited January 8, 2012 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 Seems like our objective is to avoid doing something wild or gambling, I don´t buy any explanation. I would lead a club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 It's not clear what our objective is here. Do I know my opponents? No. You have played 16 boards against them so far in your life, and mainly you have learnt that (i) they overbid and (ii) they aren't particularly strong card players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 well it seems obvious that rho needs three keycards for his raise, so he must surely have the 3N bid either with or without a stop that most people seem to put through lebensohl. I would find out which of those it is. If he has a stop I would avoid the spade ace. OTOH this auction is just obviously impossible. So I would lead the spade ace. If you are wondering whether leading the spade ace will give up the trump position, you might be right, but I dont think it gives up much when you are on lead against an auction that is obviously impossible. I resume that RHO has one keycard and has forgotten which keycard they played, then decided that he cannot be expecting a lebensohl bidder to have more than one anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 well it seems obvious that rho needs three keycards for his raise, so he must surely have the 3N bid either with or without a stop that most people seem to put through lebensohl. I would find out which of those it is. If he has a stop I would avoid the spade ace. RHO is a passed hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Do you have an agreement about partner's double of 3♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 Do you have an agreement about partner's double of 3♠? Suggests leading one, particularly against 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted January 9, 2012 Report Share Posted January 9, 2012 The double was why I'm underleading ♠, expecting to find partner with ♠K, and hoping neither opp is void. ♠8 should clearly call for a ♦ switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xcurt Posted January 10, 2012 Report Share Posted January 10, 2012 Wouldnt underlead the SA. After 3S partner was still on priority 1--stop them from bidding and making 3N. He had no way of knowing our LHO is about to drive to the 5-level. Given that the alternative is to lead from Qxxx, I think cashing the SA is best. If partner has the SK we can try tapping dummy at T2 anyway, then they would need to come to hand in clubs, not diamonds, even if they choose to hook through us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 In case anyone is still interested, one winning lead is the ace of spades. You can then force dummy, which has singleton king of spades and AKJ of hearts, at trick 2.It makes on a low spade leadIt can make on a club lead by setting up the clubs, which needs a 4-4 club break, although declarer may choose instead to play for Qx of hearts and ruff a spade in dummy instead. Declarer has a club void _and_ the ace of diamonds, but says he wasn't sure if 4NT was blackwood or asking him to pick a minor, when partner converted to hearts he realised it was intended as keycard so he raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Declarer ... says he wasn't sure if 4NT was blackwood or asking him to pick a minorShouldn't he have said that earlier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 In case anyone is still interested...Of course we're still interested. We'd like to know how our actions would have worked out at the table on the specific hand posted. Well, I would :rolleyes: dummy ... has singleton king of spades ...It makes on a low spade leadThat's a shame, I was rather hoping to find partner with ♠K from the double, tho of course there are no guarantees :( Thanks for posting the conclusion, always appreciated :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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