caky_ Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 lets say U are playing 2/1 or sayc [hv=pc=n&s=s75hjt8dakj7ckqt8&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1d(4+)p1h(4+/%206+hcp)p]133|200[/hv] dano (smispi) : i don't like 1 nt with XX♠ so i would bid 2♥ jec : i would bid 2♥ tez: 1 nt and never 2♣ sansar1905: 1nt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 With the good honor quality, working tens, and lack of major suits, I open 1NT. On the auction given, I rebid 2♣ IMPs, 1NT MPs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 I don´t mean this as a critic, but the notion of even thinking 2♣ is an option is really sick. IMO you 2 should both delete that thing forever from your head as quickly as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caky_ Posted January 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 I don´t mean this as a critic, but the notion of even thinking 2♣ is an option is really sick. IMO you 2 should both delete that thing forever from your head as quickly as possible. agree with u:) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 I don´t mean this as a critic, but the notion of even thinking 2♣ is an option is really sick. IMO you 2 should both delete that thing forever from your head as quickly as possible.Gosh, I didn't think it was *that* bad. Why so awful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 With the good honor quality, working tens, and lack of major suits, I open 1NT. On the auction given, I rebid 2♣ IMPs, 1NT MPs.I assume your nt range is 15-17 and you have decided to upgrade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 1NT rebid is clear. I would never upgrade this hand to a 1NT opening, and while I frequently raise a 1 of a major response to 2 on three cards, this is not the right hand for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 I assume your nt range is 15-17 and you have decided to upgrade?Yes. For the reasons given, and also to avoid this rebid question :) Art - what sort of 14 count would you upgrade to 1NT? Any? 5 card suit mandatory? Just curious ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 lets say U are playing 2/1 or sayc [hv=pc=n&s=s75hjt8dakj7ckqt8&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1d(4+)p1h(4+/%206+hcp)p]133|200[/hv] I am normally very aggressive about raising to 2M on three card support.I would rebid 1NT on this hand for the following reasons 1. I have a small doubleton in Spades. Showing a fit in hearts could very well invite a spade balance which is the last think I want to hear. On the other hand, suppressing a Heart fit might allow us to declare 1NT 2. I'm very close to a 1NT opening. I have enough strength that NT and Hearts could produce the same number of tricks 3. I'd much rather have KTx or so in Hearts for the raise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Gosh, I didn't think it was *that* bad. Why so awful? To be honest, I never ever though of that :P 4-4 should never be treated as 2 suiter, there are exceptions as for everything, but they are in competition, never when opponents pass. And towards this case: 1NT is a so good contract compared to 2m in general that when 1NT is a perfect option, thinking of 2m instead makes no sense. This is specially true at MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 I don´t mean this as a critic, but the notion of even thinking 2♣ is an option is really sick. IMO you 2 should both delete that thing forever from your head as quickly as possible. I don't see anything sick about 2♣. In fact, if RHO had doubled or bid 1♠, that 2♣ would probably be a better bid because it would allow pard to compete if LHO bids spades. That being said, I would bid 1NT because stoppers are below shape/strength in bidding priorities. I would seriously consider 2♣ if RHO had acted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 I have no problem raising with 3 card support. But, I usually have 3 "good" trumps and a roughing value and if it's close a weakish 3rd suit.This hand only meets 1 of my criteria for a 3 card raise, so its a pretty clear 1NT rebid 1NT = 102♥ = 62♣ = 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Just raise to 2♥. This issue was settled years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Just raise to 2♥. This issue was settled years ago. The poll suggests otherwise 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 The poll suggests otherwise If that helps you sleep better, then fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Yes. For the reasons given, and also to avoid this rebid question :) Art - what sort of 14 count would you upgrade to 1NT? Any? 5 card suit mandatory? Just curious ...Yes, a 5 card suit would be mandatory before I would open a 14 count with a 15-17 1NT. But, even then, I would need a compelling reason. I usually don't count an extra point for my doubleton when opening 1NT. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Yes, a 5 card suit would be mandatory before I would open a 14 count with a 15-17 1NT. But, even then, I would need a compelling reason. I usually don't count an extra point for my doubleton when opening 1NT. :)Thanks Art. I am still curious what would constitute a "compelling reason" - can you give a couple of example hands? And of course I didn't add for the doubleton. I added for the excellent concentrated honor values and spots. All this seems like it should be worth 1 point despite the lack of a long suit. For what it's worth, the K&R evaluator gives this hand a 14.95. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 Just raise to 2♥. This issue was settled years ago. Maybe it was, but then it was settled erroneously :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 I'd bid 2H. I tend not to support with 3 card support and this shape, but AKJx and KQTx are excellent holdings. It's a more positive bid than 1NT and might just get you to the good 4Hs where partner might be passing 1NT (say xxx A9xxx xx AJx). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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