frank0 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 From the post "Another trap pass problem" I feel probably we just don't reopen with double enough and let opp's light overcall escape too often. Maybe we can reopen with double a little bit more in order not to upset partner when he/she makes a trap pass, even if our shape is not perfect. To clarify my point, I made up two hands(with random hand generator under some restriction),[hv=pc=n&s=sj8542hakdaj93c97&w=skqhjt3d52ckq6542&n=st7hq6542dq8caj83&e=sa963h987dkt764ct&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1s2c]399|300[/hv] [hv=pc=n&s=sakt954hq6dkt9ct5&w=s862hk2da8cakj843&n=shat85dq532cq9762&e=sqj73hj9743dj764c&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1s2c]399|300[/hv] On both hands South opens 1♠ and West overcalls 2♣, some of you may not agree the overcall on first hand(I think that is acceptable) but few of you have not seen people overcall with something worse than that. As you can see the best result for NS on both hand is to defend 2CX, but if such a hand occurs in any event, very few pair are going to achieve this result. On the first hand a lot of North may not trap but compete with negative double and end up in playing some partial. On the second hand even North makes a trap pass most South reopen with 2♠. That is, by playing negative double, we do give up some chance punishing opponent. How about trap pass/reopen with double more frequently? Let's restrict the discussion to the following sequence.1 level open-(simple overcall)-pass-(pass)-?Partner either has a weak hand or a trap hand. Therefore I double whenever(a)I have doubleton or less in opp's suit(b)Want to defense when partner is trapping©Can accept the potential damage if I reopen with non-standard takeout shape, either I can escape later or it won't be that bad if partner bid my short suit. For example, if the bidding goes 1♠-(2♣)-P-(P)-?, with South's hand in first example, I double and if partner bid 2♥ I accept it. With South's hand in second example, I double in case partner is trapping and bid 2♠ over partner's 2♦/2♥, not announcing I have extra, but saying I only offer two choice, playing 2♠(if you're not setting trap), or defensing 2♣X(if you're setting trap). With this agreement we can reopen with X more often without risk. As responder, we feel more comfortable to trap with 4 mediocre trumps in opp's suit) without risking too much even though 2NT/3NT or negative double(when most strength is in opp's suit!) is an alternative, because partner almost always reopen with X. This approach may have further advantage, that is, your partner is easier to judge when you reopen with something else. Back to "another trap pass problem", if partner would have reopend with X on "defensive 5521 hand"(For example ♠AJxxx ♥KQxxx ♦Qx ♣x, intend to bid 2♥ over 2♦ response), then 2♥ reopen must be highly offensive, with ♠K8 ♥J6 ♦A873 ♣K9863 this hand could be closed to 4♠! Thanks if you're willing to read such a long post, and feel free to comment or to share opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 I do both trap passs and reopen with doubles more frequently , often with a doubleton. But I don´t try to fix later, if my partner bids the doubleton I just pass. 6421s and 5521s as well as 5422s with low doubleton in their suit, I reopen with double routinelly at the 2 level below my opening suit. But this is a matter of how sick your usual opponents are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 It's no big deal if pard passes out both those hands. Opps are going down vs nothing. You can't have it all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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