Fluffy Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 ♠K8♥J6♦A873♣K9863 nobody vul, MPs, you deal and... pass-(pass)-1♠-(2♣)pass-(pass)-2♥-(pass)?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 2♠ Yes, theoretically I could have a yarborough bidding like this. But I believe there is no safety beyond 2♠. The bidding is consistent with a weak third hand opener holding ten or more cards in the majors. I prefer to secure my plus score at MP and I want my partners to continue balancing aggressively in the future.Contesting the part-score is more important than bidding close games. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Some might avoid the problem by opening this hand first seat, although I would not. Now I would try 2NT. Partner could still have a good hand, many that will make game. I will bid 3♠ next if available, which should show Hx, so partner may choose 4♠ with a strong 5-2 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 2NT WTP, anything else is clueless IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Under what circumstances does P not X here?, he's likely short in ♣...but no X. Rainer's post makes perfect sense to me!, partner has 10+ Major cards. Bid 2♠, take a +. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 2♠. For reasons set forth above by Rainer and jmcw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Damn typo, this was at IMPs, not MPs. Say so if it matters to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 2NT WTP, anything else is clueless IMO.except, maybe doing that the previous round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 2NT is a possibility, but I wouldn't be surprised 2S is our best spot. Still, being IMPs you need to bid 2NT I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Nonvul at IMPs I would still think that 2♠ is best. Vul at IMPs I might try 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 I am wondering two things. Why should we be so sure partner has a light opening? Isn't this hand pretty good opposite an opening hand with 10+ cards in the majors? 11 count all working (unless p has club void), Hx in both majors, and controls in both minors feels like near maximum efficiency for a passed hand without 3 card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Damn typo, this was at IMPs, not MPs. Say so if it matters to you.2NT at all forms of scoring. I much prefer this to 2♠ which could be a weak preference (resulting in a missed game) and likely puts pard into a 5-2 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Why would partner X with 16 pts and 55 in the M ? so that the bidding go X-(3C)-3D ? Also with a subminimum 5/5 in 3rd seat you can pass and make a Michael rather than opening too light and get overboard, I dont understand why people are scared of passing a bad 10 pts 5S5H in 3rd seat, the odds of going all pass (and could get a plus score) are not that high. I understand that 3rd seat openings can be lightish but its not a reason to be super pessimist. Also note that we have K98xx of clubs and the A of D so 2nt might easily be a better spot than 2M. Nonvul at IMPs I would still think that 2♠ is best. Huh ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 2NT at all forms of scoring. I much prefer this to 2♠ which could be a weak preference (resulting in a missed game) and likely puts pard into a 5-2 fit.My problem is that 2NT would sound like a hand which was willing to defend 2C at 50 cents a trick, and this one has too much offense for that. The hand also seems wrong for defending 2C doubled at these colors opposite the various hands where pard might reopen with a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Since pard is known to be short in ♣ and didn't dbl, I expect 5-5 in the majors to be a live possibility. I still want to dangle a game possibility with 2nt and expect 3♠ down 1 to be our worst case scenario but if pard bids 4♥ over this, I'm passing and hoping for a 5-6-1-1 dog opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 Damn typo, this was at IMPs, not MPs. Say so if it matters to you.Definitely 2NT then. Even if it was MPs, as there may be a few collecting 300 defending, looking for a thinner game could be value. If pard has ♠AQxxx-♥KQ10xx-♦x-♣xx, 4♠ has good chances and 3NT some. 2♠ looks a bit like a weak preference, so partner might pass with an even better hand. My problem is that 2NT would sound like a hand which was willing to defend 2C at 50 cents a trick...Surely $1 for the 1st trick and $2 for the next (having hoped for a reopening double)? B-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 ♠K8♥J6♦A873♣K9863 nobody vul, MPs, you deal and... pass-(pass)-1♠-(2♣)pass-(pass)-2♥-(pass)?? I open 1c If I just come to the table then I bid 2nt as a passed hand. I have to try and catch up somehow for my misbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 3♠. This really doesn't look like a hand to play in notrumps - we have a single club stop, and partner may need to ruff the hearts good. Anyway, he'll know that I have this sort of hand, from my failure to raise spades on the previous round, so if 3NT is right he can bid it himself. It also doesn't look like a simple preference, even at matchpoints. ♠K, ♥J and ♦A are all very good cards, and ♣K will help to protect us against being forced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 If you take all wha tbenlessard said in this thread and state the opposite that would be my opinion.2NT is likely to be awful contract, as partner is eitehr weak or has some kind of 5-5-1-2 or even 5-4-1-3 (unlikely) and they will have a lot of ♦ tricks to take.I have my doubts being vulnerable, maybe then some kind of going forward action is required but I think it's marginal, I think i would go with 3♠ if I had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 So if we make a sim giving partner (north) 5/5 and 11-14 pts (with 65 or 56 hes not going to pass 2nt anyway) and give east (5 clubs, 11-18 not a takeout X) does that look right ? Note that DD is fine here since a delayed 2Nt show a trap pass and beg for a D lead while a delayed 3S show a trap pass with only 2 trumps and H ruff possibilities and beg for a trump lead (unless hearts are 3/3 wich is unlikely). PS rather than 3S its possible to make the impossible 3D (wich should show like a trap pass but with unclear direction) as long as its not 100% GF wich im not sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 what kind of 64 would you bid 2H ? For me its very few but I forgot its possible. After looking at some of the hands, :( its an awful hand for double dummy since at 2Nt declarer know wich major to attack, also he know how many D to duck. While in a trump contract main edge is only picking up stiff K and Qx or deep finesse in the M.---edited$%##^ Ive just lost my hands with Dealmaster Pro :( Im going to redo it, because its interesting even if the DD results are flawed. But im going to think more about it more before setting parameters. Would you bid 2H with 64?? if so with what range what suit quality ?Do you double with 5530 rather than 2H ? and if you bid 2H and south bid 2Nt do you pass ? (I hate to X with a void in clubs, unless 3 quick tricks and space)With a 5503 and 13/14 pts partner trap pass make game very good and I dont think its a DD result. At imps I would overcall 2C with almost all 1336/0346 rather than Xing agree ? But I would still X with almost all 0436 agree ? From memory, 2Nt go down about 15% but I suspect IRL its going to be significantly higher, West had many hand where DD leads are possible. So the almost always lead D because of the trap pass is wrong, but the fact that DD declarer know wich M to tackle fist is just huge advantage to 2Nt DD. S scored significantly more tricks than Nt so at MP 3S vs 2Nt its not as clueless as I thought. There was plenty of games vs 11-14around 40% for 3Nt and (so if 11-17 range is possible its super obvious that the hand is too good for a simple 2S at Imps in fact 3Nt is a better bid than 2S DD) H scored less than S but if its possible to bid 3D as non GF DSIP it would be great (right side 3Nt when partner got Qx in D) allow you to play 3H rather than 3S. Also there was some hands where you would get X at 3S but not at 3H, even in imps there was some obvious X going down 2 in M contracts, so picking H when its right is nice both at Mp and in Imps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 I bid 2♠ and it wasn´t a success partner had ♠AQJ10xx ♥KQxxx ♦xx ♣- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 I bid 2♠ and it wasn´t a success partner had ♠AQJ10xx ♥KQxxx ♦xx ♣-Call me a result merchant but I would not have passed 2♠ with this hand. That partner has no values is inconsistent with the bidding. (Where are all the HCP?)Without the ♣K everybody would have bid 2♠. The fact that passed partner neither bid 2♦ nor 2NT is in fact encouraging.I would have bid 3♠ over 2♠. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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