sanity check 6232

[jillybean]

MP NV Partner opens 2N and you hold K76543,87,Q63,Q4

[the hog]

2H followed by 4S. I will be interested to hear a super accept.

[ArtK78]

2H followed by 4S. I will be interested to hear a super accept.

Agree. A mild slam try. Will make 6 opposite a fit with controls and a long minor suit.

[nigel_k]

I would just signoff in game. Slam could be worth bidding with the right cards and shape opposite, but most times even when partner thinks his hand is quite suitable the slam will need a finesse at least.

[aguahombre]

oops, my post saw the 2H option but not the 2NT opening.

 

Texas seems easy. All we need for slam is 7 outside tricks and holding spades to one loser, or all our spades and only one quick outside loser. Suspect a sim would show a lot of accepted slam invites which won't cut it.

Edited January 4, 2012 by aguahombre

[petterb]

Isn't 2♥ an insufficient bid when partner opens 2NT? ;)

[jillybean]

Isn't 2♥ an insufficient bid when partner opens 2NT? ;)

:) well spotted, fixed.

[BunnyGo]

If you can put a shapeless "perfect" minimum HCP hand for partner where slam is (nearly) cold, then you should strongly consider inviting. Otherwise just sign off. I think:

 

QJx, Axx, AKx, AKxx

 

is 21 HCP. Not sure if you can do it with 20, so it's pretty borderline. I'd probably invite.

[rogerclee]

First of all, 3H then 4S is not a mild slam try, it is your only slam try. I guess you could agree to play that it's a mild slam try, but I don't know what you would do with your normal slam tries.

 

Anyway I would not make a slam try, but we're pretty close.

[the hog]

First of all, 3H then 4S is not a mild slam try, it is your only slam try. I guess you could agree to play that it's a mild slam try, but I don't know what you would do with your normal slam tries.

 

Anyway I would not make a slam try, but we're pretty close.

 

It is if partner could have super accepted in S. Of course, if this is not permitted in your partnerships, then you are correct.

[P_Marlowe]

I would not show any slam interest.

 

You are a victim of to detailed agreements.

 

You would love to make the low level transfer and invite slam,

if partner is strong enough to break the transfer.

 

An alternative agreement is, to play 4C/4D as texas transfers,

you can sell this agreement to partners with the argument,

that you want to improve your slam auctions.

Wisely you refrain from mentioning the other benefit - that you

get rid of Gerber.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[Zelandakh]

First of all, 3H then 4S is not a mild slam try, it is your only slam try. I guess you could agree to play that it's a mild slam try, but I don't know what you would do with your normal slam tries.

 

Anyway I would not make a slam try, but we're pretty close.

I play that this as a mild slam try and that 2NT - 3H; 3S - 4H is a strong slam try (an idea I got from French). Hands with both majors can be bid in other ways so this is essentially free. Anyway I agree with you - partner seems to need close to perfect cards for slam to be good so it seems better just to use Texas.

[ArtK78]

If you can put a shapeless "perfect" minimum HCP hand for partner where slam is (nearly) cold, then you should strongly consider inviting. Otherwise just sign off. I think:

 

QJx, Axx, AKx, AKxx

 

is 21 HCP. Not sure if you can do it with 20, so it's pretty borderline. I'd probably invite.

What about the fact that the right 21 count produces a grand on normal breaks?

 

AQx Ax AKxxx Axx

 

I suppose some might upgrade this hand to 2♣ followed by 2NT. Still, there are 13 tricks in notrump on 3-2 diamonds and 3-1 spades.

 

Also, the right 19 count makes 6 on no worse than a finesse (and cold on a pointed suit lead or a club lead from the K):

 

AQx Ax AJTxx Axx

 

Yes, these are perfect hands opposite my hand. But isn't that what transfer and raise asks for?

[ggwhiz]

I'm in for 3♥ followed by 4♠.

 

In my partnership we have 3 ways to superaccept so this "mild" slam try is most often VERY mild, just trolling for a superaccept. I can't remember ever getting too high when pard doesn't have one.

 

It doesn't cost us to try for the great fit.

[mike777]

I would have Just bid Texas. and given up on slam.

 

 

Dont want pard bidding slam on the wrong max hand and I dont play superaccept over 2nt.

[Phil]

If you look at the subset of hands where partner should be cooperating in your slam try I think you'll find the 5 level isn't safe at all with this.

 

Of course the methods suck. In mine, a Jacoby transfer is GF and when pard accepts he has support. I can then make a non serious try and let things run their course.

 

Even SA texas works here since pard can last train with a good hand and support.

 

Sorry its the BI and I shouldn't be mentioning these things.