han Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 [hv=d=s&v=e&n=sqj72hk954dq1072c4&s=saha63dkj4cakqj52]133|200|Scoring: IMPHow do you get to 6C?[/hv] You must visit me to be eligible for the dinner. (and do the dishes) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Playing MOSCITO 1♣ - 1♥1♠ - 1NT2♣ - 2♠2N - 3♥3♠ - 4♣4♦ - 5♣6♣ All of dealer's openers are artifical asking bids of one form or anotherRelay Responder's 3♥ bid shows a 4=4=4=1 shape4♣ = 4 slam points5♣ shows 1-2 controls in Spades, Hearts, and Clubs6♣ sets the contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 2♣ 2♦* * waiting 2♥ negative is available3♣ 3♦** ** Major enquiry3NT 4NT Quantitative6♣ Pass This seems a reasonable unsophisticated auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 2♦ 3NT4♣ 4♥6♣ Pass where, 2♦ = multi 2♦, either weak two major, bal 22-23, or acol 2 in either minor, 3NT = 4-4 in majors, ask partner to bid his major if weak two in major4♣ = acol two in clubs4♥ = cue bid, no diamond contol, slam try6♣ endRequirement for the acol minor part of this auction, is the ability to play this minor suit in slam opposite singelton, so north can make slam cue-bid try. to read more about this treatment, which i play all the time, see chris rydal's webpage at.... http://www.cavendish.demon.co.uk/bridge/two/diamonds.htm Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Ok, I'll give it a try.2♣-2♦3♣-3NT4♣-4♥4♠-5♦6♣ 2♦ waiting3NT is rather discouraging, but implies a king or Ace, as it skips 3♦=double negative4♣ still interested in slam, and sets the trump suit4♥ cue4♠ last train5♦ cue bid the queen (having denied the Ace or king previously) See you in November :) Arend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Sorry, but I don't get dinner...I get to 6NT instead. Which IMO is worth it. They may not lead spades, if they do lead spades they may play the K when I play the J on the first trick...admittedly in IMPs it's better to find the sure 6♣ bid, and my methods are primarily designed for MPs, but I think the difference in this one is small enough not to worry about. If my partner responds 1♠ to my Precision 1♣ opening, which is reasonable with 4441, then I'm certainly getting to 6NT whether you like it or not. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 then I'm certainly getting to 6NT whether you like it or not. :) I like it when you play against me... I double (of course), and lead a low spade.... yummy yummy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 then I'm certainly getting to 6NT whether you like it or not. :) I like it when you play against me... I double (of course), and lead a low spade.... yummy yummy Uh huh. Do you usually peek at the cards, or just this time? The bidding went 1C 1S 2NT 3NT 6NT. Show me this hand you would double with, especially if you're on lead. And then explain why in detail you thought the winning play was underleading the KS, which if I have the Ax of spades gives us the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 I stayed at 3nt, but was lucky since clubs dont break.I no idea how to bid it, and since it was mp i figured 3nt will beat all those who will play 5c and has achance to give good score.anyway the key is the Q of diamond and i am not sure anyone here can learn about this card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 There is one funny way i can think of bidding this.dont mean to give the all auction, just the idea.1C-1D4H* - kickback for diamond.Now if partner show 1 A and the Q, you can bid 7, if he show 1A or the Q u can bid 6, if he show nither u stay out of slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 then I'm certainly getting to 6NT whether you like it or not. :) I like it when you play against me... I double (of course), and lead a low spade.... yummy yummy Uh huh. Do you usually peek at the cards, or just this time? The bidding went 1C 1S 2NT 3NT 6NT. Show me this hand you would double with, especially if you're on lead. And then explain why in detail you thought the winning play was underleading the KS, which if I have the Ax of spades gives us the contract. most frequently find the lead in their longest suit, which is spades. Opponents frequently lead through dummies suit, which is spades. And bidding a shaky 6NT versus a solid 6♣ deserves a spade lead.... esepcially since the problem as posed was imps.... As for peaking, no need... on an auction where south jumps to 2nt (balanced 18-19), then over-rides his parnters signoff in by bidding 6NT all is revealed.. south has souce of many tricks in clubs and is well prepared for red suit lead. Again poiting at a spade... you flashed it like a HUGE neon sign. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 then I'm certainly getting to 6NT whether you like it or not. :) I like it when you play against me... I double (of course), and lead a low spade.... yummy yummy Uh huh. Do you usually peek at the cards, or just this time? The bidding went 1C 1S 2NT 3NT 6NT. Show me this hand you would double with, especially if you're on lead. And then explain why in detail you thought the winning play was underleading the KS, which if I have the Ax of spades gives us the contract. most frequently find the lead in their longest suit, which is spades. Opponents frequently lead through dummies suit, which is spades. And bidding a shaky 6NT versus a solid 6♣ deserves a spade lead.... esepcially since the problem as posed was imps.... As for peaking, no need... on an auction where south jumps to 2nt (balanced 18-19), then over-rides his parnters signoff in by bidding 6NT all is revealed.. south has souce of many tricks in clubs and is well prepared for red suit lead. Again poiting at a spade... you flashed it like a HUGE neon sign. Ben Sorry, this is precision...1C showed 16+, nothing about clubs.1S showed 8+, normally 5 card suit, may be 4441.2NT showed 20+, denies 4 hearts.3NT showed 8-9 No reason to think we don't have our bid. And if I have...♠ A6 ♥ A63 ♦ KJ♣ AKQJ52 Which is actually more likely given the auction, you just gave me the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Passive leads against slam is a losing tactic, it is rare to sell exactly the 12th trick.even with the change you made 6nt will make most of the times on any lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 whether it makes or not, why risk it playing imps? in the long run that seems to be a losing strategy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 There is one funny way i can think of bidding this.dont mean to give the all auction, just the idea.1C-1D4H* - kickback for diamond.Now if partner show 1 A and the Q, you can bid 7, if he show 1A or the Q u can bid 6, if he show nither u stay out of slam. only problem of this auction is that if you play RKCB (kickback or not), 6 of a non-trump suit is SSA = Specific Suit Ask = a control asking bid looking for a Grand. So if you "agree" diamonds to find the queen, you may be unable to stop in 6 Clubs, and you'll have to play 6 or 7 diamonds. E.g.4H (kickback for diams)-4NT (1/4 keycards or 0/3 if playing 1430)5C(Q ask)- 5D ( no queen)? Now, if you bid 6C it's Grand Slam Try asking for control in clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarceldB Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Playing MOSCITO All of dealer's openers are artifical asking bids of one form or anotherRelay Responder's 3♥ bid shows a 4=4=4=1 shape4♣ = 4 slam points5♣ shows 1-2 controls in Spades, Hearts, and Diamonds6♣ sets the contract So it could be K♠ too, and with a ♥ lead? Or even a ♠ lead and Axx♦? I prefer to scan A or K firstly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 My auction: 1♣.....-1♦* (♥)1♥*(3♥)-1♠* (relay, asking about 4♠ mainly).2♦*(natural reverse)-3♦3♠-3NT4♣-4♥4NT-5♦ (0-3)6♣-..... Ok, it could end in 6♦, but probably doesn´t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarceldB Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 knowing with a 3♣ bid by east in REGRESsiona 4-4-4-1C with 4/6-9 points ( if 4p. then 1 Ace only, if 5p. then K+ any Q)or a 5S-4-4-0C with 4/6-11 points (same) 3♥* - 3NT= 1CP (A=2,K=1)4♣ - 4♥= K♥ no Q♥4♠ - 5♦= Q♠+Q♦, no Q♣6♣ - P *Control Point asking -scanorder HSDC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 2♠ - 2NT3♣ - 3NT4♦ - 4♠6♣ 2♠ strong in clubs2NT 1 or 2 trump support; 1 or more controls3♣ ace ask3NT 0 aces4♦ king ask4♠ 1 king within the structure of this relay sequence, opener could have asked about voids and/or queens as well as or instead of aces/kings, in whichever order suits their fancy. 3♦ rebid instead of 3♣, or 4NT after 4♠ to ask void; 5♦ after 4♠ to ask queens, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Playing MOSCITO 1♣ - 1♥1♠ - 1NT2♣ - 2♠2N - 3♥3♠ - 4♣4♦ - 5♣6♣ All of dealer's openers are artifical asking bids of one form or anotherRelay Responder's 3♥ bid shows a 4=4=4=1 shape4♣ = 4 slam points5♣ shows 1-2 controls in Spades, Hearts, and Clubs6♣ sets the contract 3♥ shows a 4-4-1-4 if I remember correctly, so it should be 3♠... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Playing MOSCITO 1♣ - 1♥1♠ - 1NT2♣ - 2♠2N - 3♥3♠ - 4♣4♦ - 5♣6♣ All of dealer's openers are artifical asking bids of one form or anotherRelay Responder's 3♥ bid shows a 4=4=4=1 shape4♣ = 4 slam points5♣ shows 1-2 controls in Spades, Hearts, and Clubs6♣ sets the contract 3♥ shows a 4-4-1-4 if I remember correctly, so it should be 3♠... Miscounteed. Free is correct. Up things by a step... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 There is one funny way i can think of bidding this.dont mean to give the all auction, just the idea.1C-1D4H* - kickback for diamond.Now if partner show 1 A and the Q, you can bid 7, if he show 1A or the Q u can bid 6, if he show nither u stay out of slam. only problem of this auction is that if you play RKCB (kickback or not), 6 of a non-trump suit is SSA = Specific Suit Ask = a control asking bid looking for a Grand. So if you "agree" diamonds to find the queen, you may be unable to stop in 6 Clubs, and you'll have to play 6 or 7 diamonds. E.g.4H (kickback for diams)-4NT (1/4 keycards or 0/3 if playing 1430)5C(Q ask)- 5D ( no queen)? Now, if you bid 6C it's Grand Slam Try asking for control in clubs I found that it helps alot to be flexiable about your trump in rkcb auctions, this need to ask about a Q and sometimes the K of a suit and still play in another trump is much more common then special grand slam bids.I agree that there might still be a problem, just ment to show the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 ♠ QJ72 ♥ K954 ♦ Q1072 ♣ 4 ♠ A ♥ A63 ♦ KJ4 ♣ AKQJ52 How do you get to 6C? Playing Polish C1C 1H Pos, 4+H2D 2H 4H exactly, weak2S 2N flat or 3 suited3C 4C 44414H 4S KC in H, 1KC4N 5C Any Ks, No6C To play 2D was Odwrotka, and all other bids by opener are relays. I will bring a '75 Chateau Montrose. Whats for dinner? Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 I will bring a '75 Chateau Montrose. Whats for dinner? I don't know, I will let you know after I enjoy it. See... My easily winning auction <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 If he invites the both of us, I'll bring a '75 Mouton Rothchild as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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