rogerclee Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 All Vul MP xxx AQJ8xx KQx x 1H P 2C 2S3H 3S P P? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 4D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 What JLOGIC said. Obv. I'm not happy but- I can't bid 3NT- I don't have any club support- I've shown hearts this good What else am I supposed to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 You could double? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Oh I thought partner bid 3S. I'd better have another look at the hand. OK: now I have questions.How far was 2C forcing?What would double from partner have meant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 How far was 2C forcing?What would double from partner have meant?2C was game-forcing, double would have been penalty.(I won't comment as I know the whole hand.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 I suspect that 2C was gameforcing, and that partner's double would have been penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 4♦. Partner sounds like something along x x AJxxx AQTxxx? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 My partners tend to bid 2♦ with 5-6, so diamonds don´t look like a good alternative. More likelly partner is 2146 and opponents are bidding too much, I would double. Also partner might have very good long clubs and await a 3NT bid, I hope he removes the double then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Now I know what the auction means, I double.I don't believe partner is 5=6 in the minors, he would have bid his diamond suit by now with that.He has at most at singleton heart, so could well be 2=1=4=6 as Fluffy suggests. I think they are in an 8-card fit, with a singleton spade I can't really see partner passing (what shape does he have?) and my singleton club looks a very tempting lead. The way this can go wrong is when he's planning to pull the double and I double slowly and opponents object.... I don't think I'd be able to double quickly with 3 low spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 I would definitely double. We have the high card values for game and no fit. Even opposite Phil's example double looks ok and partner's hand could easily be more suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 If 2♣ was gf then i DBL now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 4♦. Partner sounds like something along x x AJxxx AQTxxx?Not if 2C was game forcing in today's world; and even if partner thinks that hand is game forcing she would have bid the diamond suit last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 4 different 2c bids 1. xx x A432 AKJxxx2. Kx x xxxx AKQxxx3. x 3 Axxx AKxxxxx4. xx K Axxx AQxxxx over 3s p will probablybid the following way 1. x2. 3n3. pass4. 4h the above 4 choices dont include the myriad hands wherep has heart support and wants to see what we do over 3s before proceeding. The choice of 4d accomplishes a lot---it lets p know we dont have "stuff" in spades(great opposite their probable shortness) it also is discouragingsince we did not repeat hearts or raise clubs. P will also knowthat if we have 4 dia the heart suit was so much better (yet notgood enough to bid 4h) that a 2d bid seemed wrong vs 2h. Mostlikley we have bid a fragment. jlogic got this thread off to a good start then we went astray:))) The x in the direct seat to show no special bid to make is animportant weapon in gf auctions. This is mainly because it allowsx in the po seat to be more penalty oriented. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 gszes has some of it right, but then goes nuts about 4D. Firstly, Opener did not have the option to bid 2D vs 2H with 4-6, since his righty bid 2S and 3H would have been his only option. Therefore, since 3) if gszes is correct in his analysis is the only hand where responder would have remained silent thus far (X X AXXX AKXXXXX), then 4D will get us to a diamond slam when our last hope for a plus is 3S doubled or 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 I will try x My guess is pard has around: xx..x..Axxx...AKJTxx or xx...x....AJxx..AKJxxx or more. I dont think pard is 5-6 with 10/11hcp or more. 1=1=5=6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Even if partner has diamonds, why is it my job to introduce them? Introducing diamonds risks only playing diamonds when partner has insufficient support and we get forced. If partner with 6-5 introduced clubs first he made in my opinion a commitment to show his second suit later if the bidding is below the game level, particularly when opponents have a good fit and therefor we should have one too. Otherwise he should have started with the higher ranking suit. More likely partner has good clubs and wanted to see whether I can bid 3NT. I have a clear agreement that doubles of opponents, who have raised each other at the part-score level, are never pure penalties. If I can not double with this I will never have a suitable hand for double if the bidding goes that way against sane opponents. What is tough about this hand escapes me. However, partner may have a tough decision whether to leave the double in. If he bids 3NT I will take it out. Rainer Herrmann 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 You could double? If we choose to double, this becomes a lead problem. Should we lead a trump or the singleton club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 If we choose to double, this becomes a lead problem. Should we lead a trump or the singleton club?I agree, the lead problem is just as tough as the bidding problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I double and lead a trump. We rate to have every side suit sown up....tho I suppose one can picture all the missing high cards being wrong for us....in which case we weren't making much anyway. Partner is allowed to pull.....he did make a forcing pass, and we've shown our heart suit. He can't play us for great spades on this sequence, so while xxx may be less than he hopes we hold, it isn't more than we show via double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I initially though about leading club and trying for a cross ruff, but we might be ruffing our own tricks, I think a spade is better. Also if partner bids 3NT over double I am pulling. Hopefully without hesitation from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Pard seems to have like 2146 or thereabouts with wimpish clubs. Dbl comes to mind, but pard is probably going to pull it to 4D. Oh well, I dbl anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I double and lead a trump. We rate to have every side suit sown up....tho I suppose one can picture all the missing high cards being wrong for us....in which case we weren't making much anyway. Partner is allowed to pull.....he did make a forcing pass, and we've shown our heart suit. He can't play us for great spades on this sequence, so while xxx may be less than he hopes we hold, it isn't more than we show via double. After a forcing pass I think partner can only pull with a void. It must be a slam range hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Pard seems to have like 2146 or thereabouts with wimpish clubs. Dbl comes to mind, but pard is probably going to pull it to 4D. Oh well, I dbl anyway.He is not pulling to 4♦. I can't have 4 diamonds or I would have shown them with 4♦ or shown them earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 Maybe. But I don't think 3D 100% denies 4 diamonds. With, say, AKQxxx/Qxxx in the reds you're probably going to do without the diamonds your 2nd turn, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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