1NT-(DBL!)-RDBL

[kgr]

(This question was raised after we had this kind of situation at the table)

Suppose you have a balanced hand with 10 HCP.

Something like:

[hv=pc=n&s=skj2ht432daq6c952&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1nd(DONT)]133|200[/hv]

Partner opens 1NT: 15-17

RHO DBL's (DONT): A long suit.

 

You can RDBL: all next DBL's will be penalty.

Or otherwise system is on.

 

...Please indicate how scoring/vulnerability matters...

Do you prefer to show your hand immediately or Will you REDBL and will you DBL for penalty if RHO bids 2C/2D/2H/2S?

BTW: If you REDBL, should the bidding be forcing on all levels: Opps cannot play a contract undoubled?

[Gerben42]

Hi Klaus :)

 

I prefer to play cooperative Redoubles, i.e. Rdbl shows points, then Dbl = T/O only 2nd Dbl is penalty.

But anyway... with this hand you have to ask yourself what the point of redouble is. Opponents are not going to play in partner's 4-card suit(s) and if they bid ♥, you don't want to play 2♥X.

The best hands for penalizing opponents are either hands where your game in unsure (i.e. invitational hands) or where you are between game and slam (because of the extra power). Not this hand. So strangely enough removing the ♦Q would make your hand better for Rdbl!

 

I would simply pass to find out opponent's suit. If it is ♣, I can bid 3♣ to ask for a stopper. If it is something else, 3NT sounds right.

[gszes]

(This question was raised after we had this kind of situation at the table)

Suppose you have a balanced hand with 10 HCP.

Something like:

[hv=pc=n&s=skj2ht432daq6c952&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1nd(DONT)]133|200[/hv]

Partner opens 1NT: 15-17

RHO DBL's (DONT): A long suit.

 

You can RDBL: all next DBL's will be penalty.

Or otherwise system is on.

 

...Please indicate how scoring/vulnerability matters...

Do you prefer to show your hand immediately or Will you REDBL and will you DBL for penalty if RHO bids 2C/2D/2H/2S?

BTW: If you REDBL, should the bidding be forcing on all levels: Opps cannot play a contract undoubled?

 

at IMPS I am willing to take risk 1 imp when 1n x makes exactly 3 (380vs400 of 580vs600)

and pass ALL balanced hands (that have no slam interest) saving any future X for

penalty.

 

Over the x my xx is a relay to 2c where I "normally" have a WEAK 1 suited hand and will pass or bid it at 2 level

this method is also they way to show all most invitational + distributional hands that cant stand the thought of 1n x

2n shows the minors invite ie xx x KJxxx KJxxx

3c shows hearts and a minor 3d by p asks for minor 3h = clubs 3s = dia

3d shows spades and a minor 3h by p asks for minor 3s = clubs 3n = dia

3h shows both majors

3s strong (single suit undisclosed) major suit hand looking for slam opener cue bids or bids 4h to try and sign off

3n strong minor suit hand ie xx x AKxxx Axxxx

4c strong club/major hand

4d strong dia major hand

4h strong both majors

 

directly over the x bids at the 2c/2d/2h (see MP below)are WEAK 2 suited or 3

suited hands asking p to bid lowest 3 card suit or pass.

 

2s invitational club hand ie xx xxx xx (KQxxxx AQxxxx AKxxxx)

2n invitational dia hand ie xx xxx (KQxxxx AQxxxx AKxxxx) xx

3c long weak club suit headed by A or K and out xx xxx x A/Kxxxxx

3d long weak dia suit headed by A or K and our xx xxx A/Kxxxxx x

3h invitational hand with 6 + hearts

3s invitational hand with 6 + spades

3n club suit looking for slam opener bids 4c to deny slam interest or cue bids

4c dia suit looking for slam opener bids 4d to deny slam interest or cue bids

4d texas

4h texas

 

there is more but thats the basic outline.

 

 

AT MP it is understandable that risking a bad result for 1nx making 3 seems like

a poor risk. Directly over the x we use the following bids and we keep the system

in place where xx is a relay to 2c.

 

2c = stayman

2d = transfer invitational + we can xx and bid 2h to show a weak hand with hearts

2h = transfer invitational + we can xx and bid 2s to show a weak hand with spades

2s = xfer to clubs opener bids 2n to show willingness to play 3n opposite 6 clubs 2 of top 3

2n = xfer to dia opener bids 3c to show willingness to play 3n opposite 6 dia 2 of top 3

3n = to play

4d = texas

4h = texas

[bluecalm]

Do you prefer to show your hand immediately or Will you REDBL and will you DBL for penalty if RHO bids 2C/2D/2H/2S?

BTW: If you REDBL, should the bidding be forcing on all levels: Opps cannot play a contract undoubled?

 

Rdbl at every form of bridge. We can score a ton here.

As to dbl's after rdbl there are 3 possible agreements:

a)standard: every dbl is for penalty

b)cooperative: first dbl is t/o subsequent ones are penalty

c)"italian" dbl shows 2-3 cards in a suit (thus pass showing 1 or penalty) (thus all immediate bids promise shortness in principle as well as pass and bid)

 

I am not sure if b) or c) is better (I tend to thing c is) but both are much better than a). One of those bidding thingies the world didn't catch up to yet ;)

[kgr]

at IMPS I am willing to take risk 1 imp when 1n x makes exactly 3 (380vs400 of 580vs600)

and pass ALL balanced hands (that have no slam interest) saving any future X for

penalty.

....

Note that my question was specifically about a forcing DONT DBL by Opps. It seems like you misread that.

[kgr]

Rdbl at every form of bridge. We can score a ton here.

As to dbl's after rdbl there are 3 possible agreements:

a)standard: every dbl is for penalty

b)cooperative: first dbl is t/o subsequent ones are penalty

c)"italian" dbl shows 2-3 cards in a suit (thus pass showing 1 or penalty) (thus all immediate bids promise shortness in principle as well as pass and bid)

 

I am not sure if b) or c) is better (I tend to thing c is) but both are much better than a). One of those bidding thingies the world didn't catch up to yet ;)

That could well be right (same after 1x-(DBL)-RDBL).

The problem with a) is that it often is difficult to DBL for penalty. F.i. if East bids 2S in my example hand then it is difficult for South to DBL and when North also has a 3cS it will also be difficult for North. ...not sure if this is easier with b or c.

[ahydra]

Depends on the vulnerability. If they are vul and we aren't then I'll REDBL and PEN X everything that comes after that. Otherwise (depending on my mood) I'd probably just bid 3NT before West can find out what East's suit is, or pass then ask for a stop in clubs / bid 3NT otherwise.

 

ahydra

[Fluffy]

I normally redouble, and I will pass anything but 2♥ for partner to double if he wants, if they are vul I might double other suits too

[Zelandakh]

I would simply pass to find out opponent's suit. If it is ♣, I can bid 3♣ to ask for a stopper. If it is something else, 3NT sounds right.

Out of interest Gerben, what is the difference for you between

1NT - (X) - XX - (2C);

P - (P) - 3C

 

and

 

1NT - (X) - P - (2C);

P - (P) - 3C

?

 

I think I would have chosen the first sequence for this hand without seeing your response. It seems more logical to stopper-ask having first shown strength. But I also know you have some great bidding ideas so perhaps you use XX then cue for something else(?)

[wank]

if you aren't going to XX here, why play XX for pens?