wclass___ Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 unfavourable, 2nd seat ♠ void♥ QJ98xxx♦ J987♣ Jx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 This is a piece of junk. Still I'm willing to open 3H(7-4 is worth something) and pass throughout afterwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Me too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tolvyrj Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Pass, one opp has already passed and now prd may have good cards in his hands, i dont wanna pre-empt my prd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Although I have 7-4, I have 7 losers. At unfavourable partner will raise my preempt with three cover cards and you have to ask yourself if you want that. For me either the low road (2♥) or the high road (3♥) but leaning towards the low road. I am not passing and that seems to be the most important thing: If opps settle for some number of ♠, you will be inclined to bid with this hand if you passed early. Better bid first and THEN pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahydra Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 I'd probably bid 2H in a bad mood, 3H in a good mood. 2H feels pathetic with the nice shape and the heart intermediates but the vul and position are as wrong as you can get for making a light pre-empt - so it would totally depend on what I'm feeling like that day :) ahydra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 I would pass (other than in one partnership where I can open 2D showing a 'weak two in a major with a bad 7-card suit') Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 The hand is extremely offensive. I would open 3H, but even the tamest of bidders should at least consider opening 2H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 I've tried bidding 2H on hands like this for awhile and it just seems ineffective, so put me down for 3H. Pass seems very strange to me, not sure why I would want to play a style where a hand with 7 reasonable hearts and a spade void should pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 I would bid 2H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 if the bidding were to go say p p p 1dp 1h p 2d even with my 4 dia I would rebid my 7 bagger in heartsbecause it is our best shot at game. Thinking that waywe are probably best served by warning p about the 1 suited nature of our hand asap and start with 2h 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 forget it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wclass___ Posted January 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 I opened 3♥, which partner raised to 4 with ♠ AKJ42♥ A2♦ Q854♣ Qx and it went down 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Is partner trained/agreed to ignore all but Spade Ace?Demote all but A/K in minors?Need to have Heart A/K/Qxx+ to raise?Then I'll try 3H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 IMO unfavourable sencond sit preempts are more descriptive than preemptive, I have no real descriptive bid avaible, so I would pass. If having to pick between 3♥ and 2♥ I think 3♥ makes more justice to the offense potential of the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerclee Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Even though it seems stupid to go a freely bid down 3, it's not like partner was passing 2H (imo), and even if he did, sounds like we might have gone down 1 in 2H anyway lol, so lose 3 or 5 is not a huge deal. On a better day partner would have the same hand, but LHO wouldn't be able to resist sticking in 3S with QT9xx x AK AT9xx. Unsurprisingly, preempting tends to be ineffective when partner has AKJxx in your void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasioc Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 3♥. I like my suit (good intermediates) and I have great shape. It's a bit light in terms of playing strength but if I open 2♥ and oppo overcall 3♠ partner is not likely to bid 4♥ when it's right. I also won't feel great on an auction like p 2♥ 2♠ 3♥3♠ where I'll feel I have to bid 4♥ but know that oppo are now reasonably well-placed to do the right thing compared with if I'd opened at the 3 level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Even though it seems stupid to go a freely bid down 3, it's not like partner was passing 2H (imo), and even if he did, sounds like we might have gone down 1 in 2H anyway lol, so lose 3 or 5 is not a huge deal.If you pass you might get to 2♥. I see that wclass__ lost six tricks, but that's a bit unlucky - they have to find their ruff, and ♥K has to be offside. Unsurprisingly, preempting tends to be ineffective when partner has AKJxx in your void.True, but when RHO passes in first seat at favourable and you have a spade void, it's not such a surprise to find partner with length and strength in spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 The cards don't look at colours. A hand is offensive or defensive regardless of vulnerability and should be treated accordingly. Vulnerability only changes the level of opening and here 2H is perfectly reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wclass___ Posted January 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 I see that wclass__ lost six tricks, but that's a bit unlucky - they have to find their ruff, and ♥K has to be offside.He he. Actually if one opens with 2♥ then bidding would probably go:2♥-[X]-XX-2[♠]Pass-[Pass]-X-PPP, which (obviously) makes. I am not sure my partner will understand ''we got a bit unlucky''. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 If I open with a pass, will I manage to avoid both -300 and -470? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wclass___ Posted January 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 I guess so.[hv=pc=n&s=sqt95hkt6d3ck9832&w=shqj98432dj987cj6&n=s8763h7dakt4cat75&e=sakj42ha5dq652cq4]399|300[/hv] But 3NT also makes. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted January 7, 2012 Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 I guess so.[hv=pc=n&s=sqt95hkt6d3ck9832&w=shqj98432dj987cj6&n=s8763h7dakt4cat75&e=sakj42ha5dq652cq4]399|300[/hv] But 3NT also makes. :D And of course everybody will bid 3NT with 11 HCP opposite 8 HCP should you refrain from preempting. :lol: How many Matchpoints did you get for -300? Was it a top? Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wclass___ Posted January 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2012 How many Matchpoints did you get for -300? Was it a top? How do you know it was MPs?There were many strange results and this gave exactly 50%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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