frank0 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I found this hand from a personal blog. This hand was played in an event for high school students in Taiwan. [hv=pc=n&s=sa75hkqt6dak4ct97&w=sqt6h5432dq732ca3&n=sk8haj8dt86ckqj85&e=sj9432h97dj95c642&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1cp1hp1np3nppp]399|300[/hv] NS has 30HCP total and balance vs. balance but 6NT can be claimed at trick 1 on any opening lead. However I don't see any reasonable way to bid it based on all of the bidding system I know. Any opinion? Is this slam nearly impossible to bid regredless of bidding system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I found this hand from a personal blog. This hand was played in an event for high school students in Taiwan. [hv=pc=n&s=sa75hkqt6dak4ct97&w=sqt6h5432dq732ca3&n=sk8haj8dt86ckqj85&e=sj9432h97dj95c642&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1cp1hp1np3nppp]399|300[/hv] NS has 30HCP total and balance vs. balance but 6NT can be claimed at trick 1 on any opening lead. However I don't see any reasonable way to bid it based on all of the bidding system I know. Any opinion? Is this slam nearly impossible to bid regredless of bidding system?You have to upgrade North's hand for starters- its worth 15 HCP with the good 5 card club suit.With South's hand- full of control, he has got to be thinking slam.Maybe start: 1NT,2♣,2♦,2♠(game force),3♣(5 clubs),3♦(I am thinking slam)....With a game forcing stayman 2♦ as used in some precision, slam is easy. Relay systems wouldn't have a problem either. Its a hand evaluation failure rather than system failure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Its a hand evaluation failure rather than system failure.It is a hand evaluation issue, but the problem really is that you have to bid as if you hold 16 points rather than 15. Upgrading 14->15 is obvious to do, but should you upgrade all the way to 16 ? You can also run into system issues upgrading out of a weak no trump where you show 3 hearts rather than 5 clubs initially, and don't get a second chance as partner bangs a quantitative 4N on the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossoneri Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 One other point: If South only had 3 hearts, there would only be 11 top tricks instead of 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 Given that you need everything - even the ten and nine of clubs,the answer is yes. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flameous Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I couldn't do it without relays. It's one thing to upgrade from 14 to 15 but upgrading to 16 is something I wouldn't really ever do. Not to mention that south hand is actually pretty crappy for quantitative with his 4333 shape. I think I wouldn't even bid a quant opposite 14-16NT with that.To show how it can "easily" be done with relays: 1♣ - 1♦ (Nat or 14-19 bal/ Transfer walsh)1♥ - 1♠ (14-16 bal or 3♥ / Nat or GF relay)1NT - 2♣ (14-16 bal without 4♠ / relay)2♦ - 2♥ (5♣ / relay for rel points, not interested about doubleton)2♠ - 2NT (8 AKQ pts / relay)3♦ - 3♥ (0/2 Kings and 0/2 of top 3 in clubs /relay)4♣ - 4♦ (1/3 in hearts and spades, 0/2 in ♦ / relay)4NT - 6NT (♣J and ♥J / just what I needed) Just a note that if north's other J was in spades, I'd end up in 5NT, nice to have those T9 of clubs so there's no risks :rolleyes: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I might open 1NT with the north hand and still miss slam. Good fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted December 28, 2011 Report Share Posted December 28, 2011 I don't see any reasonable way to bid it [ slam ] based on all of the bidding systems I know. Any opinion? Is this slam nearly impossible to bid regredless of bidding system? I have this one in my files... from a friend in the Netherlands .... 1NT - 2S! ( GF, Distribution-Ask ) where 1NT does NOT contain a 5 card Major.??.. 3C! = 4 cards + another 4 card higher; 3D! asks for 2nd suit.. 3D! = 4 cards + 4 card Major; 3H! asks for 2nd suit.. 3H! = 4/4 Majors.. 3S! = 5 cards Clubs.. 3NT! = 5 cards Diam So, after:1NT - 2S!3S! - 4C! ( Minorwood )4NT ( 4th step = 2 + ♣Q ) - 6C/6NT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 I think I would bid1N 2♣2♦ 4N P4N isn't so clear as it may easily miss a good slam opposite, say, ♦Qxxxx but I don't see a good way to investigate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 I think I would play in 3NT after the same bidding as the school kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 Child's play playing WOR. Impossible otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted December 29, 2011 Report Share Posted December 29, 2011 1C = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any... - 2D = 4-5 hearts, 0-3 spades, bal or 3-suited with short spades2N = 15-17 bal... - 4C = quantitative raise with 3433 shape4S = 5 clubs... - 4N = RKCB5S = 2 with CQ... - 6C would be a possibility although the 4NT bid is not at all a certainty to be made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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