pclayton Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 IMPs, short matches, red on white: [hv=d=w&v=n&s=skthj42dakq93cat9]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] LHO.....Pard.....RHO.....YouPass.....Pass.....3♠.....? Your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 3nt... as you said, short match, red on white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 3NT. I am surprised you ask this. Is there a logical alternative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 3NT. I am surprised you ask this. Is there a logical alternative? Ron: I won't tell you what happened, but my teammate said another call was 100% clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 I bid 3NT. I consider it obvious, although there are many ways it could go wrong! The trouble is other bids have at least as many ways of going wrong. The correct contract might not be 3NT, but if it is I have to bid it now. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xx1943 Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 3 NT what else? ;) Are you convincing your pard, that he was wrong in doubling or bidding 4 ♦? :D 3NT. I am surprised you ask this. Is there a logical alternative? Ron: I won't tell you what happened, but my teammate said another call was 100% clear. Please tell the story. Might be very interesting. cheers Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 I have nothing else than 3NT but of course can be catastrophic ! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabika73 Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 3nt.Even if I didn't play 4♦ as Leaping Michaels. I recall Bob Hamman saying something about 3nt....Choose it when it was one of the alternatives. I boldly extend his wisdom to apply to situations in which it is the only alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 i wouldn't say 3nt is the *only* alternative... i just don't see a better one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 A 100% CLEAR 3NT B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Question from a learning player For bidding 3NT i'd like either an extra hcp (at least 18), or an extra stopper. As it is, why is double so bad ?Is it worse to "steal" a stopper and 1 hcp or to steal a heart ? I am all ears ! B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 If you double at this level and pd bids 4H on his 8/9 count with 4H, what are you going to do? 3N is the most likely contract. Here is a hand from the US playoffs, Chamaco.What do you bid on this? xxAXAKQxAQxxx P (3S) your bid????If you X partner bids 4H; now what?Guess what the best contract was, and "yes" I see that I don't have a S stopper! CheersRon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 If you double at this level and pd bids 3H on his 8/9 count, what are you going to do? 3N is the most likely contract. Here is a hand from the US playoffs, Chamaco.What do you bid on this? xxAXAKQxAQxxx P (3S) your bid????If you X partner bids 4H; now what?Guess what the best contract was, and "yes" I see that I don't have a S stopper! CheersRon Ron, thanks for the example (real handas are always the best way to get things :))) ). However, my point was that in the given hand, I have 3 hearts, with the possibilkity of playing in the moysian if things go wrong.Sure, I run the risk that my pard too looks for the moysian and we play in 3-3 fit :) BTW in the given hand I'll look for game in a minor, if I did not agree the use of the thrump double.--------- In any case, for the original hand, I have run a set of simulations in PBN format, constrained by:1) west + nort do not have an opening hand2) east has < 10 hcp, at least 6 cards with 4+ hcp iand < 3 losers in spades, and no 4 side 4 card suits. (obviously in a 3rd seat preempt some of these criteria are more or less relaxed according to the style) If anyone is interested I can send the pbn file or upload it somewhere. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Though I will bid 3N, dbl is not that bad choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Though I will bid 3N, dbl is not that bad choice. The problem with double is that if your partner has no spade stopper, he will carry the bidding past potentially the very best spot to play (3NT). The problem with 3NT is if your partner has good spades, you can not back up to 3♠x...but even with a horrible thrird seat jokester, it is hard to believe partners spades can be so good with me holding KT to pass a 3♠X, with him in front of the spade bidder... So without a doubt, I take the bull by the horns and bid 3NT... and join the "what is the problem" crowd. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Thanks for the responses. I bid 3N, which I think is crystal clear. I bought ♠ Qx, ♥KT9xx, ♦Txxx, ♣ Kx. Naturally 4♥ is gin while 3N is hopeless. And yes I agree with the pass over 3N. My teammate thought double is crystal clear. I think the only thing thats clear is that he was resulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 I think the only thing thats clear is that he was resulting. I agree, Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 the only thing worse than resulting is resulting in public... i hope *that* didn't happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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