Fluffy Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=skt2hk2dakt2ck752&n=shaqj963dj8643ct3&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=p1np4dp4hppp]266|200[/hv] IMPs, LHO leads ♣8, RHO wins ♣A and returns the 4. Trumps are 3-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Duck the ♣. West ruffs and returns a ♦ which East ruffs. Another ♣ ducked and ruffed. Draw trumps and there's a ruffing squeeze against West in ♦ and ♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 This is a pretty hand if we are playing LHO for Axxxx xxx Qxxx x and rho for xxxx xx void AQJ9xx, where the spade 'x's can include the Q/J. And the trump squeeze operates on this layout. And LHO has to hold the spade A if RHO has AQJ9xx in clubs. The question in real life is not merely that very few players would see the trap, but also that the layout is a priori unlikely and we may be throwing away an imp. LHO might easily hold something boring like AJxx(x) xxx Qx Q98(x) and lead the club (Q98x only if playing 3rd best of course) I don't know how unlikely this dangerous layout is, but sometimes a safety play is against the odds even when it guarantees a game contract....haven't we all won or lost a match by 1? But it is a neat hand. I confess my immediate reaction was to wonder what the point was, but since Fluffy always has a point, I looked deeper...tho eric beat me to the punch. I would definitely have gone down at the table unless playing in Heat 1, and even that may be kidding myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 If RHO has AQJ964 and returned the 4 he is above heroic. Is the Q not "safe" and sensible and more likely to fetch a duck? I think it is more likely rho has a diamond void and is hoping that partner has the club K. If this is the case ducking is a super disaster. Moreover, if LHO ruffs this I am still cold unless there is an immediate diamond ruff, I just win the return and play trumps and later give up a diamond. If you duck you might get a diamond ruff then a trump promotion or something equally absurd. Ducking seems like thinking too hard. This would be a tougher problem at MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I ask them how they lead. It's crucial info.Could 8 be from J98/Q98+ ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I wouldn't make heavy weather out of the play. Just play the club king and later decide whether to finesse diamonds or not. There are hands where it's easier and less tiresome to win 1 imp. If I go down on cross-ruffs, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I wouldn't make heavy weather out of the play. Just play the club king and later decide whether to finesse diamonds or not. There are hands where it's easier and less tiresome to win 1 imp. If I go down on cross-ruffs, so be it.We don't come to a bridge forum to win 1 IMP by cashing our top tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 With ♣AQJxxx, a diamond void, and ♠Q, RHO might have opened the bidding. With ♠AQ, ♦Qxxx and a club void, LHO might have bid over 1NT. Hence I don't think it at all likely that the layout for the trump squeeze exists. If we duck trick two, we go down when LHO has ♦Qxxx and ♣H98(x), with RHO having ♠A. That layout seems far more likely, so I'd play ♣K. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 If we duck trick two, we go down when LHO has ♦Qxxx and ♣H98(x), with RHO having ♠A. That layout seems far more likely, so I'd play ♣K.But why didn´t LHO lead a diamond then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 But why didn´t LHO lead a diamond then?With a choice between ♣H986 and ♦Q975, presumably he'd lead the more solid suit. Do they play 3rd/5th, or 4th? With ♣H98 and ♦Q97x, he might have chosen a club because his partner didn't double 4♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 WD. Some of you have figured out a way to go down on a hand with 5-0 trumps and 3-1 diamonds worrying about 6-1 clubs and 4-0 diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 WD. Some of you have figured out a way to go down on a hand with 5-0 trumps and 3-1 diamonds worrying about 6-1 clubs and 4-0 diamonds.You are correct, but OP did specify that trump were 3-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 WD. Some of you have figured out a way to go down on a hand with 5-0 trumps and 3-1 diamonds worrying about 6-1 clubs and 4-0 diamonds.My first reaction on reading the OP was 'wtp'? We were in game at imps and the only issue appeared to be an overtrick. But Fluffy never posts hands without a point, so I looked deeper until I found a way on which we could fail even tho we're told that trump are 3-2. Once you do that, the minor cross-ruff is the only risk. Eric got there before me Would we ever play for it? I don't think so, since no-one would be whispering to us that trump were 3-2. But it is a pretty play, with possibly a flawed setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I made a mistake with the original hand, dummy had ♥10 also. http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?linurl=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/vugraph_linfetch.php?id=21413 http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?linurl=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/vugraph_linfetch.php?id=21413 Board 8 Bidding at that table was also more revealing, in my match we won 5 IMPs for defending 6♥ -2 and 6♠ X -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 You are correct, but OP did specify that trump were 3-2.Yeah, but that's info you won't have at the table at trick 2. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Another interesting thing of the set, I averaged 6.5 HCP as west on the 16 board set, clearly my lowest ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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