simple question

[Fluffy]

2♣-(double)-pass-(pass)

2♥-(pass)-3♣

[TWO4BRIDGE]

What is your system ? ( What is 2C ? )

 

I assume it is strong, artificial.

 

Then Responder's Pass! = not a bust ( RDBL = bust )

 

So, 3C = natural, 5+ cards, but no 2 of 3 top honors ( otherwise would have bid 3C over the X ).

[gordontd]

You seem to assume that the double shows clubs, but it might not. In any case, there's no need to have a cue-bid available at this point in the auction - you can just bid naturally.

[Free]

nat

[Yu18772]

natural for me (pass over the dbl limited responder to ~8 HCP at most)

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[aguahombre]

natural for me (pass over the dbl limited responder to ~8 HCP at most)

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pass by the responder limited her to 40 minus whatever the 2C bidder held (but at least enough for game). 3C is a club suit; Lord knows what the original double of 2C showed, but we don't seem to care yet.

 

we will have our auction, and inquire if curious.

[ggwhiz]

Natural and game forcing. Redouble might have been fun.

[Finch]

I would have said natural, but if partner has clubs why didn't he redouble? That makes me think it's a cue.

[aguahombre]

I would have said natural, but if partner has clubs why didn't he redouble? That makes me think it's a cue.

Isn't redouble a conventional second negative? It is for us. Pass showed at least a little something ---enough for game opposite a 2C opening. The 3C bid, now will not be quite the same as a 3C immediate response, but it still seems natural.

[mikeh]

Seems to me there are at least 3 uses for this 3♣ call, assuming the double showed clubs and the pass showed values:

 

1. cuebid in support of hearts. Sets trump early, and allows for maximal slam exploration

 

2. natural, tho very hard indeed to think of a hand on which we want to suggest clubs as trump, given how unlikely it is that doubler would/could psyche clubs

 

3. an unbiddable hand...no long suit, no fit and no club stop: say Jxxx x KQxx xxxx.

 

I doubt that partner would ever take it as (3) without discussion.

 

I like the meta-rule that, in an undiscussed auction, if a bid can be natural, it is natural.

 

So I take it as natural, but it would be my third choice if I ever discussed the sequence with partner. My choices would be 'unbiddable' as first, cue as second and natural as third.

 

I would raise with hearts, and bid notrump with clubs and throw up with the unbiddable hand, absent agreements.

[Finch]

If you are playing some special agreement where partner couldn't redouble naturally, then I agree 3C must be natural.

I've never heard of playing redouble as a second negative, although clearly from this forum it's popular in some parts of the world.

 

Mikeh may think it's unlikely that they would psyche a club suit here, but LHO might have thought he was playing double as conventional.