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Would you respond or pass 1[CL] or 2NT opening by p?  

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  1. 1. Would you respond or pass 1[CL] or 2NT opening by p?

    • I would respond to 1C and 2NT.
      14
    • I would respond to 1C but pass 2NT.
      5
    • I would respond to to 2NT but pass 1C.
      4
    • I would pass both 1C and 2NT.
      3


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First hand of the match (nobody vulnerable), MP, partner dealt.

Playing your preference of 2/1 or SAYC, unfamiliar but decent partner.

QJ7

J87

Q975

864

 

Your partner opens 1. Would you pass or bid?

Your partner opens 2NT, defined as a good 19-bad 21. Would you pass or bid?

 

You already know my answer. Back in the days when people passed balanced 13 counts and played 21-22 2NT openings, this was a clear bid. Nowadays when 2NT gets opened with decent 19s and 1C gets opened on balanced 12 counts, this isn't worth a response. If you do respond 1NT to 1C with this hand, are you going to jump to 2NT if the 8 got turned into the ace?

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I'd probably passs a 1 opening. This looks like a 3 count and I don't want partner to get excited.

 

I'd probably raise a 2NT contract to 3NT: The costs of raising are much smaller and the benefits of reaching game much higher...

 

1. 2NT is a miserable contract. Most of the time that 2NT makes, three will make as well

 

2. Partner has limited his hand, s there is no danger that he will make a strong bid

 

3. You need to bid your games

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Agree with Richard, pass first and bid game in second.

 

When you respongo to a level 1 opening you mean you are able to play game opposite a 19 balanced hand, it is not the kind of hand you are gonna play game ther, but it is a hand that would liek a game opposite a 21 balanced instead.

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fluffy, say you respond 1d to pard's 1c... and say he has that balanced 19 count and jumps to 2nt... can't you pass?

 

more likely he'll bid 1M or 1nt... if 1nt, you can pass, and the contract is probably improved... if 1M you have a choice... pass to play in the 4/3 or bid 2c

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To 1: I would respond 1

To 2NT: I would definately pass. You have 4-3-3-3 distribution, all Queens and Jacks and no long suit.

 

Partner could hold:

 

AKx

Qxx

Axxx

AQx

 

This is just one of the thousands of examples of poor 18-20 counts your partner could hold.

 

You win 3 spades, 1 heart (if that), 3 diamonds (if that) and maybe 2 clubs. So with the opps having PERFECT holding, you could make 9 tricks. The other 98% of the time, you will go down. Worth it?

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To 2NT: I would definately pass. You have 4-3-3-3 distribution, all Queens and Jacks and no long suit.

 

Partner could hold:

 

AKx

Qxx

Axxx

AQx

 

This is just one of the thousands of examples of poor 18-20 counts your partner could hold.

 

You win 3 spades, 1 heart (if that), 3 diamonds (if that) and maybe 2 clubs. So with the opps having PERFECT holding, you could make 9 tricks. The other 98% of the time, you will go down. Worth it?

I BELIEVE that the question is what you do after partner's 2NT opening:

 

I'd be very surprised if partner tabled an 18 count...

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fluffy, say you respond 1d to pard's 1c... and say he has that balanced 19 count and jumps to 2nt... can't you pass?

 

more likely he'll bid 1M or 1nt... if 1nt, you can pass, and the contract is probably improved... if 1M you have a choice... pass to play in the 4/3 or bid 2c

This is an old question, to me 2NT is game forcing, given that is is game forcing I´ve put some of the strtong 1 suiters on the 2NT rebid as well, so 2NT rebid isn´t necesarilly balanced. But it is not the point, 2NT rebid by opener should be game forcing, is one of the basis of the 5 card major I know.

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ok, if you play it as gf that's all there is to it... i don't play any known limit nt bid as game force... opener is saying he has 18, 19 hcp (usually balanced)... that can be passed, the same as an opening 2nt can be passed ... to me, that is... others see it differently, i'm sure

 

if opener has a big hand with a strong one suiter, he might just as well bid 3nt as 2nt

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If you don't bid on 2NT you're crazy imo! These days we only need about 24 HCP together to make 3NT or 4M. If you pass a 2NT opening, you will play in 2NT with an average of 27 combined HCP! Absolute madness!

 

Pass over 1? Never, but I can understand some will pass. It's a bidder's game, so bid if you have half the deck. I won't be a good boy by bidding 1, I'll be a good bidder with 1NT.

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fluffy, say you respond 1d to pard's 1c... and say he has that balanced 19 count and jumps to 2nt... can't you pass?

 

more likely he'll bid 1M or 1nt... if 1nt, you can pass, and the contract is probably improved... if 1M you have a choice... pass to play in the 4/3 or bid 2c

With good 19 P would have opend 2NT per definition of this system, so they are bad 19 and i can pass 2NT or the hand is not balanced.

 

If p had is not balanced my hand might be good enough for game.

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If you don't bid on 2NT you're crazy imo! These days we only need about 24 HCP together to make 3NT or 4M. If you pass a 2NT opening, you will play in 2NT with an average of 27 combined HCP! Absolute madness!

24 HCP is enough when you have 12 opposite 12.

 

20 opposite 6 makes less tricks than 12 opposite 12.

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