bluecalm Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 [hv=pc=n&e=s82h7d9753cakqt65&d=w&v=b&b=4&a=p2d]133|200[/hv] 2♦ is mini multi. It's matchpoints. Do you overcall ? How close is it ? Does it change at imps ?Opinions vary among players I polled on it, some of them are quite good and hold opposing views. You ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Obvious overcall, in my opinion. Don't forget this disrupts their 2-level bids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) If this is a 3C overcall, change my post to the other thread about what a raise to 4C should be. It isn't, IMO. What it looks like is a preempt over a preempt; and we don't do that. Edited December 6, 2011 by aguahombre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Far easier to overcall as partner is a passed hand. Overcalling in the direct seat should be better than this, but probably would not be able to stop myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Obvious overcall, in my opinion. Don't forget this disrupts their 2-level bids.Not so obvious to me as I am missing an ace or king that I'd like to have, but I cannot pass this playing MP. So 3♣ and if PD ends up on lead, this could be useful. It is also useful to disrupt the opp's 2-level bids as you've pointed out and perhaps this will result in them erring in a decision to bid game. Of course, by bidding 3♣ I accept the risk of PD's 4 or 5♣ not working out. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 If this is a 3C overcall, change my post to the other thread about what a raise to 4C should be. It isn't, IMO. What it looks like is a preempt over a preempt; and we don't do that. An overcall doesn't always have to be constructive. I'm willing to bet this particular 3C is going to cause a lot more trouble for opps than pass :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Obvious overcall, in my opinion. Don't forget this disrupts their 2-level bids. Not so obvious :) May actually disrupt my p more than the ops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Why? He's a passed hand and all. He can hardly do crazy stuff anyway, so why not wreaking some havoc? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Imo there are more ways to win than to lose by bidding 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Why? He's a passed hand and all. He can hardly do crazy stuff anyway, so why not wreaking some havoc? :)Of course, he can do "crazy stuff". (Except that it isn't crazy. He will just assume you have your bid.) What do you do when partner bids 3NT?What do you do when he doubles their 4♥? Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Of course, he can do "crazy stuff". (Except that it isn't crazy. He will just assume you have your bid.) What do you do when partner bids 3NT?What do you do when he doubles their 4♥? RikPass if he bids 3NT. We have 6 tricks, partner has some stoppers, we we'll go 1 down at most (unless extreme breaks). Pass if he doubles their 4♥, I hope he's not too trigger happy. I suspect he'll be short in ♣ and we'll make at least 2 tricks. If we don't, so be it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 I play multi defense against multi and would bid 3♣ playing that (showing ♣ 'preempt').Not playing that I would pass and bid 3 or 4 ♣ later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Thx Free. You saved me some work replying :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Yu Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Definitely. 3m overcall is a very strong weapon against multi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 3♣ -- let them sort it out. I would have some qualms about bidding if pard wasn't PH... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratepete Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 I conveniently have a 2♠ bid here showing an opening with 5+♣ as opposed to 3♣ defensive. (Using Chris Ryall's multi-v-multi, sounds like kgr does the same) Unlike kgr, I think this hand is still a 2♠ bid even opposite a passed hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 pass, it's not even close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Far easier to overcall as partner is a passed hand.Not sure I understand this. There are lots of hands less than opening bid on which partner would bid opposite an overcall - so there is no reason to lower the requirements for an overcall just because partner has passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecalm Posted December 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 I passed, my friends who are good at bridge liked 3♣ and one of them in fact did overcall at the table.As luck has it, partner had: A765 Q983 - J9842 and they could make 4H and we could make 5C. I was quite surprised, I am even more surprised by opinions on this forum :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Obvious pass. I would not contemplate bidding on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Not sure I understand this. There are lots of hands less than opening bid on which partner would bid opposite an overcall - so there is no reason to lower the requirements for an overcall just because partner has passed.My thoughts :)I even think that partner will stretch more to bid after having passed initially and we overcalled....or also if we pass and he can balance.So I'm curious why we should lower our requirements when partner is a passed hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 For those who have 2 ways to show ♣: I'd take the weak one for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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