whereagles Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Hand 1:(2D) 2S (3C) 3Hpass 4H pass 4S(all pass)2D weak, 3C fit non jump. Hand 2:1C (1D) 3C (3H)pass (3S) pass (4D)(all pass) Bread and butter bidding. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarceldB Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 According bidding system REGRESsion: Problem 1 1♥* - 2♥**3♣*** - 3♥ *8-12p. 4333/4432 or any 5332 with no 2toph./3 or 5M4?22**8-12p. 5+c♥ n.f.***helpsuit trial Problem 22♣* - 3♦**Pass *8-12p. 5♥332 with 2 toph./3 OR 6♥322 toph.=?** 7-12 6crd♦ (if 9-12 a 5c possible and a singleton/void♥)Q♣ nothing worth opposite a known double/tripleton ànd a misfit, so downgrade your 14-pointer Rgds. Marcel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 The game is excellent when vulnerable: finesse on trump queen and extra chances on a non-club lead: much more than the 35% required for vulnerable game. Last time I calculated it I made it about 40% required for vulnerable game at IMPs to be borderline to bid. And that simplistic calculation contrasts making with failing by one trick (possibly doubled, I forget), but it ignores the impact of going several down doubled when the cards do not behave. Certainly if they do start off with 4 rounds of Clubs you are well below 40%. How likely is a Club lead I cannot say, and it may well make the difference to make it odds on to bid it, but to describe it as "excellent" is pure hyperbole. Of more interest, to my mind, is that if you are going to stay out of a borderline game your system will gain if you can stay at the 2 level, in which my earlier suggestion succeeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Not sure if I agree with Free regarding his suggested MOSCITO auction on the following: [hv=d=s&v=a&n=sa54hkq942d2ct942&w=sq9ht63dt653ckqj8&e=st73hj8dkqj984ca3&s=skj862ha75da7c765]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv] The hand is very tricky, since its right on a cusp where any one of a number of different option could be correct. From my perspective, responder needs to chose between three distinct bids: 1. An immediate raise to 2♠: This promises precisely three card support with 8-9 losers. The hand in question clearly seems too strong: 2. A 1♠ relay responses, promising at least game invitation values. This bid is clearly preferred to 2♠ 3. A 3♥ response showing 6-8 losers, 6+ Hearts and 3 Spades. I have, on occasion, made a fit jump with a five card suit. In this case, I think that the quality of the heart suit is slightly too weak. However, chance the Heart suit to ♥KQT96 or so and I'd prefer 3♥ to 1♠ With this said and done, I disagree with the suggested relay auction. 1♥ - 1♠1NT - 2♣2♦ is clear. The 2♦ response promises a balanced hand with 11+ - 14 HCP. Even so, I don't think that responder is strong enough to game force and would prefer a natural 2♠ response showing 3 card spade support and invitational values. BTW< for what its worth, Paul recently tweaked the system to permit a 1NT opening holding 5332 shape with a 5 card major. The normal rules regarding strength apply. Following this set of agreements, the 1♥ opening shows 11+ -12 HCP, making the natural 2♠ response even more clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acesfull Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Ok, I'm no expert, and I hesitate to call myself advanced, but I'm wondering why more people aren't in game on hand 1. Switch a low club with a diamond in the South hand and game is much better, yet the bidding would be the same. If you aren't in game on that hand, I think you are underbidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Ok, I'm no expert, and I hesitate to call myself advanced, but I'm wondering why more people aren't in game on hand 1. Switch a low club with a diamond in the South hand and game is much better, yet the bidding would be the same. If you aren't in game on that hand, I think you are underbidding. This is an interesting phenomena.. they will all tell you they are not influenced by seeing all four hands, and probably mean it... but, it is very hard not to find justification for bids if you see all four hands. it is unintential. Best if yuo never show the other two hands... btw, i am sure many people would not reach game because in real world about 1/3 field didn't bid game. ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted October 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 you're right, ben... in my first post i even mentioned how hard it is to stay objective... i probably fell victim to that trap myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Ok, I'm no expert, and I hesitate to call myself advanced, but I'm wondering why more people aren't in game on hand 1. Switch a low club with a diamond in the South hand and game is much better, yet the bidding would be the same. If you aren't in game on that hand, I think you are underbidding. because it highly depends on how well your hand fit with your partner's. Responder's hand is a little bit more than 7 losers. With a 4th spade, it would be enough for force to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtfanclub Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Ok, I'm no expert, and I hesitate to call myself advanced, but I'm wondering why more people aren't in game on hand 1. Switch a low club with a diamond in the South hand and game is much better, yet the bidding would be the same. If you aren't in game on that hand, I think you are underbidding. I disagree. For one thing, the ♥A is the perfect and necessary card...he could just as easily have the minor suit queens, for example. And even with that perfect card game is still around 50%, and I don't mind missing those. Especially if I can miss them at the 2 level, while others will be missing it at the three level. Using our system, partner has a max for a minimum bid. Another spade, a singleton, a couple of HCP, and he'd bid differently. When you have a bid that tells you game is doubtful, don't screw around hoping that partner will have the perfect cards. Let it stop. I don't know if it's a holdover from rubber bridge or what, but people often seem to think the way to win is to take partner's maximum points and shape for his bid and if it might make game if the cards lie right, bid it. It doesn't really matter to me that there's some theoretically possible shape and points where we might have a shot of making it. Responder has 11 MIDMAC points +3 for fit. Opener has 11-13 MIDMAC points according to his bids. That's 25-27. Not worth trying for game on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Dealer: South Vul: All Scoring: IMP ♠ A54 ♥ KQ942 ♦ 2 ♣ T942 ♠ Q9 ♥ T63 ♦ T653 ♣ KQJ8 ♠ T73 ♥ J8 ♦ KQJ984 ♣ A3 ♠ KJ862 ♥ A75 ♦ A7 ♣ 765 Does anyone seriously want to be in game on this hand? It depends on a 3-2 S break and a S hook, and some very remote probabilities of no H ruff etc. You are not going to make this game on any normal line as it is correct to take the S hook. And if you say you would play for the drop after seeing the S9, thats nonsense as that is a standard falsecard from 9x in this position. I make it under 40% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Playing 2/1 game force, to stay out of game on hand 2 seems very much double dummy hand evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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