broze Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sh64daq65cajt7652&w=sjt932hjt2dk87ck3&n=sa8654haq983dcq94&e=skq7hk75djt9432c8&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1sp2cp2hp4cp4dp5dp6cppp]399|300[/hv] I sat South on this deal at my club and the bidding for the most part wasn't pretty. 6♣as you can see is an excellent slam and one I think we'd all want to be in. My partner and I play SAYC not 2/1 GF. After my partner's natural 2H, with my huge distribution I rebid 4♣imagining that after a 4th suit GF 3♦ and the inevitable major response a bid of 4♣ at that point might be taken as a cuebid in my partner's major. As it happens it was worse than that, my p had thought my 4♣ bid was showing the A♣ and I read his 4♦ reponse as natural with 5-4-4-0 shape. Happy that we had eventually found a "fit" I signed off in 5♦; my partner realising what had happened corrected to the excellent ♣ slam. When dummy was laid down after the J♥ lead I chuckled and endeavoured to bring home the small. Despite our less than inspired attempt, it is a rather tricky hand to bid well and scientifically as ♣ smalls can often be. So what are your thoughts BBO community? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted December 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 And as for all of you more interested in play than bidding, what is the best line to take to avoid over-ruffs etc.? Purely from an academic point of view of course for there is no danger on the above layout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 We'd bid 1♠-2♣ (not GF)2♥-3♣(we play this GF at the 3 level)4N(exclusion, clubs agreed void ♦, 4♦ would have been normal kickback)-5♦(1/4)6♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 for non 2/1 its a hard hand, you picked 4♣ wich is a success on this board. But I think you missunderstood what it means, it makes clubs trumps whatever partner´s got. I wouldn´t have done so on this particular hand, but it worked out. Taking 4♦ as natural is a very bad view, you donñt bid 4th suit naturarilly at the 4 level!. My non 2/1 bidding would be: 1♠-2♣2♥-3♦ (4th suit)4♣-4♦ (4♦ cuebid IE ace since partner is known to be short)4NT-5♥ (Blackwood, assuming partner has ♦A, 2 without queen)6♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted December 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 We'd bid 1♠-2♣ (not GF)2♥-3♣(we play this GF at the 3 level)4N(exclusion, clubs agreed void ♦, 4♦ would have been normal kickback)-5♦(1/4)6♣ I like this but would be more comfortable if South took control of the auction and was able to ask Keycards himself. After your GF 3♣ I prefer a 3♥ bid followed by 4♣ - 4♦ cue [EDIT: though I guess you would play this as kickback?]4NT - 5♠(2KC+Q)6♣. for non 2/1 its a hard hand, you picked 4♣ wich is a success on this board. But I think you missunderstood what it means, it makes clubs trumps whatever partner´s got. I wouldn´t have done so on this particular hand, but it worked out. Taking 4♦ as natural is a very bad view, you donñt bid 4th suit naturarilly at the 4 level!. My non 2/1 bidding would be: 1♠-2♣2♥-3♦ (4th suit)4♣-4♦ (4♦ cuebid IE ace since partner is known to be short)4NT-5♥ (Blackwood, assuming partner has ♦A, 2 without queen)6♣ Interesting. But I feel sure that after a 4thgf♦ from me my p would have rebid ♥ to show 5 in case we have a fit there. So like I said in the OP that is why I didn't choose that sequence. I agree with you about my interpretation of 4♦ though. Taking it for a cue bid with ♣ agreed and then asking aces would have worked well here. I guess the lesson is: play 2/1! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statto Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 As Fluffy says, 4♣ sets trumps. 4♦ is a cue (void) agreeing ♣ with slam interest. Much as I hate cueing a void in P's suit, 4♠ seems to be the only option now, showing continued slam interest and expressing concern about a ♥ loser. With both major aces, and given that you are likely to only have two ♥s (with three you would probably have bid 4SF), North can place the contract in 6♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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