billw55 Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sa93haq32dj8762c9&d=w&v=0&b=8&a=1cppdp3sp]133|200[/hv] Hadn't seen this 3♠ bid before. Any ideas what's going on over there? Some standard thingy I never learned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 Check out my similar auction recently: http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/49547-partners-double-jump-in-new-suit/ And see whereagle's reply ( post # 6 ) . Partner likes Spades but was flawed for a 1-opener or weak-2 ( or 3 ) open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 Partner likes Spades but was flawed for a 1-opener or weak-2 ( or 3 ) open. He might not even have these available over a 1♣ opening. Partner has a good hand and had no suitable action last time, so he probably has about an opening bid with four spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 It smells like a 4=2=2=5 or 4=3=1=5 12-14 point hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 If you have suit-quality requirements for an overcall, there's no reason why he can't have a bad five-card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 It smells like a 4=2=2=5 or 4=3=1=5 12-14 point hand.If you have suit-quality requirements for an overcall, there's no reason why he can't have a bad five-card suit.These make more sense than my first reply.For some reason partner felt his "good" hand was flawed to make an overcall:1) wrong shape2) poor long suit ( 10 x x x x in ♠ )3) long ♣ suit But now after the DBL, he feels he doesn't have enough to convert the DBL to penalty. Something like:9 x x x xK JK xK Q x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 If you have suit-quality requirements for an overcall, there's no reason why he can't have a bad five-card suit. Gordon. It's 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted December 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 Check out my similar auction recently: http://www.bridgebas...mp-in-new-suit/ And see whereagle's reply ( post # 6 ) .Interesting, but that seems quite different; on my auction, partner had the opportunity to over call 1♠. It smells like a 4=2=2=5 or 4=3=1=5 12-14 point hand.I also considered this, but could think of no reason partner would not just bid 2♠ which is also a jump. After all, I have only balanced, and only over 1♣. If you have suit-quality requirements for an overcall, there's no reason why he can't have a bad five-card suit.This occurred to me as well. On BBO especially it is hard to find anyone who cares about suit quality. In play, I settled on the theory that partner had more or less a strong NT opener with good spades and no club stop, but not quite enough strength for a badly offshape double. Say, ♠KQJx ♥Kx ♦AQx ♣xxxx. Is this a reasonable theory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwar0123 Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 I think you can bid 1nt over a minor without the minor stopped. I think he has 4 spades and clubs stopped and wants you to bid 3nt, 4spades or pass if light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Interesting, but that seems quite different; on my auction, partner had the opportunity to over call 1♠. I also considered this, but could think of no reason partner would not just bid 2♠ which is also a jump. After all, I have only balanced, and only over 1♣. This occurred to me as well. On BBO especially it is hard to find anyone who cares about suit quality. In play, I settled on the theory that partner had more or less a strong NT opener with good spades and no club stop, but not quite enough strength for a badly offshape double. Say, ♠KQJx ♥Kx ♦AQx ♣xxxx. Is this a reasonable theory? No, this is an obvious 1S overcall, even for Aunt Milly, is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted December 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 No, this is an obvious 1S overcall, even for Aunt Milly, is it not?With a reliable partner, yes. In reality this was a BBO pickup partner, many of whom would sooner jump off a cliff than bid a four card major. Although in fairness, this partner seemed a decent player up to this point, so maybe I should have ruled this hand out. If 3♠ shows a basic opening hand, then what is 2♠ for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 With a reliable partner, yes. In reality this was a BBO pickup partner, many of whom would sooner jump off a cliff than bid a four card major. Although in fairness, this partner seemed a decent player up to this point, so maybe I should have ruled this hand out. If 3♠ shows a basic opening hand, then what is 2♠ for? About 8 or 9+, but not as strong as a solid opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Gordon. It's 2011. Says the lady who thinks partner has bid 3S with a 4 card suit....... Parther should have a weak two which was in some way unsuitable for a weak two earlier. Should be about 3-7. JTxxxxxAxxxxx or something would be typical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 In play, I settled on the theory that partner had more or less a strong NT opener with good spades and no club stop, but not quite enough strength for a badly offshape double. Say, ♠KQJx ♥Kx ♦AQx ♣xxxx. Is this a reasonable theory? No - this hand starts with a cue bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted December 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 About 8 or 9+, but not as strong as a solid opener.Interesting ... I thougth the situation was different after a balancing double, as compared to a direct takeout double. Learn something new everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted December 4, 2011 Report Share Posted December 4, 2011 Parther should have a weak two which was in some way unsuitable for a weak two earlier. Should be about 3-7. JTxxxxxAxxxxx or something would be typical Perhaps the partnership are not playing weak jump overcalls at all; but if not, depending on the vulnerability, which we are not given, this might qualify for a 1♠ overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted December 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Perhaps the partnership are not playing weak jump overcalls at all; but if not, depending on the vulnerability, which we are not given, this might qualify for a 1♠ overcall.Vulnerability is all white as shown in the diagram. It was a pickup partnership, so no hard agreements, but wjo seems pretty standard in such a situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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