HeartA Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 You have to make a philosophical decision if you are going to open this genre of hands with 1N: stiff honor, right point count, hellish rebid. If you do, then you will accept the occasional silly result about playing the 5-1 2♠ contract, or the hopeless 3N when you can't control the spade suit. OTOH, not opening the hand 1N will lead to silly results as well. You will frequently play in a 4-2 diamond fit or a 5-1 club fit. Nothing is perfect and no one can be 100% confident on this, unless they have a specific system to handle hands like this. It depends on personal style in dealing with these kind of hands. And I agree that "Nothing is perfect and no one can be 100% confident on this". But I don't agree on two words you use here: "occasionally" and "frequently". I don't believe to play 5-1 club (or 4-2 diamond I don't open 1D anyway) if I open 1C (and rebid 2C), has higher probability than to play 5-1 spades (plus the chance you can't duck even a round when opp leads s) if you open 1N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 You have to make a philosophical decision if you are going to open this genre of hands with 1N: stiff honor, right point count, hellish rebid. If you do, then you will accept the occasional silly result about playing the 5-1 2♠ contract, or the hopeless 3N when you can't control the spade suit. OTOH, not opening the hand 1N will lead to silly results as well. You will frequently play in a 4-2 diamond fit or a 5-1 club fit. Nothing is perfect and no one can be 100% confident on this, unless they have a specific system to handle hands like this. It depends on personal style in dealing with these kind of hands. And I agree that "Nothing is perfect and no one can be 100% confident on this". But I don't agree on two words you use here: "occasionally" and "frequently". I don't believe to play 5-1 club (or 4-2 diamond I don't open 1D anyway) if I open 1C (and rebid 2C), has higher probability than to play 5-1 spades (plus the chance you can't duck even a round when opp leads s) if you open 1N. Fair enough, but a 2♠ contract might not be so bad; pard can get to my hand several times and score the small trump. An endplay of sorts usually arises too, since partners trumps are shortened. OTOH, 2♣ on a 5-1 rates to play really poorly, since we won't have the same transportation to pard's hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Fair enough, but a 2♠ contract might not be so bad; pard can get to my hand several times and score the small trump. An endplay of sorts usually arises too, since partners trumps are shortened. OTOH, 2♣ on a 5-1 rates to play really poorly, since we won't have the same transportation to pard's hand. You may stuck in dummy, and can't get to hand to draw trumps. And Opps might get chance to cross-ruff before you score your small trumps. Also let's do the math. Assume I open 1C (not 1D, since I don't open 1D). I play 5-1 ♣ only if partner responds 1 major AND no intervension from opps AND partner's distribution is 4441 or 5431 AND singleton suit is club AND partner's HCP is 5-7 (any more AND?). How about 5-1 in ♠? As long as partner got 5-card ♠ (except 5-5 in majors), and not strong enough to invite game (up to 7 HCP). It is much more likely you end up in 5-1 ♠ if you open 1N than I end up in 5-1 ♣ if I open 1C and rebid 2C. I haven't mentioned (have I?) that when partner has strength to invite game or slam, (s)he will mis-calculate your distribution, and set on the wrong or bad slam (holding ♠KQxxxx or QTxxxx or the like). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowerline Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 a. 2♥b. 2♣c. pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfish Posted October 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 hi all,i am interested to know if the hand is a little stronger(e.g ♦K becomes A andthe small ♣holding is more solid e.g AJ984) will it change your bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 I already considered it a reverse with 15, so with 16 it woudl be the same, 1♣+2♦ rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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