what will you do

[myfish]

hi,playing sayc

 

[hv=d=s&s=sahkxxdkxxxcaj963]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

what will you open and respond?

for open 1♣,what would you bid after p's respond?

a) 1♥

b 1♠

c) 1NT

 

for open 1NT(15-17),what would you bid after your pd's 3NT and an X by opps?

 

for open 1♦,what would you do after 1♥ from p?

 

thx all for the comment :lol:

[jtfanclub]

a) 1♥

b  1♠

c) 1NT

a) 2NT, which shows exactly three card support.

If I'm playing fit showing jumps instead, I bid 3♦.

b ) 2♦

c) 3NT

 

 

Obviously, I consider my hand pretty darn strong. Maybe I shouldn't.

[the hog]

2H

1N

2N

 

Hands with singleton aces are nowhere near as good as if the ace is in a long suit.

[whereagles]

I open 1C. Some like to open 1D on these hands, but I prefer 1C. I'd bid then

 

1C 1H

2C (unless you have an agreement to raise on 3 cards)

 

1C 1S

2C

 

1C 1NT

2D (worth a reverse opposite a club fit that is certain)

[Fluffy]

a,b,c : 2♦, I would open 1♦ if I didn´t judge my hand worht a reverse. So be consitent with your precious choice.

 

1♦-1♥

2♣.

 

If you judged your hand to be a weak 2 suiter bid it like it.

 

1Nt-pass-3NT-X

Pass.

 

I never guess this ones, but I am quite happy with the contract.

[Free]

sayc tells you to open 1♣. If you don't, you don't play sayc...

 

After 1♥: 2♥

After 1♠: 1NT

After 1NT: pass

[EricK]

I open 1♣

 

I raise ♥, rebid 1NT over 1♠, and rebid 2♣ over 1NT

 

Eric

[luke warm]

i open 1d and rebid 2c...

[jtfanclub]

sayc tells you to open 1♣. If you don't, you don't play sayc...

 

After 1NT: pass

Because you think your opponents, with a nine card spade fit, are going to let you play there? We have either two 8 card fits or a nine card fit ourselves.

 

I see two very strong possibilities for this hand after my partner denies four spades:

 

1. We make 3NT.

 

2. They make 3♠.

 

The opponents were kind enough to pass even though they have at least 16 cards in the majors. They aren't going to pass a second time. Bid 2NT or 3♣ if you're chicken, but don't let them find their spade fit.

[the hog]

JT you lok through the back of the cards with rose covered glasses.

 

I see two very strong possibilities for this hand after my partner denies four spades:

 

1. We make 3NT.

 

2. They make 3♠.

 

Is not

QJx

Jxx

Qxxx

xxx

a 1N response. Where is your 3N coming from. And note the opponents are definitely not a lock for 9 tricks in S.

[hrothgar]

I'm happy to open a 15-17 1NT with this hand

right strength, and a stiff ace doesn't worry me much

 

I'll sit for the double

Not much choice

[jtfanclub]

Is not

QJx

Jxx

Qxxx

xxx

a 1N response.

God God no.

 

When you start responding with 11 loser hands to non-forcing openings, it's time to pause and and reflect.

 

BTW by my count, between the awful shape, no four card majors, the worst possible holding in partner's suit, and the complete lack of controls, this hand is worth between 2 and 3 hcp. I'm not even sure it's worth a 3NT response to a 20hcp 2NT opening. Maybe if it had some tens...

[the hog]

No??? Hmmm I think you will find most would. I certainly would.

Incidentally you don't use LTC in a NT contract.

[jtfanclub]

No??? Hmmm I think you will find most would. I certainly would.

Incidentally you don't use LTC in a NT contract.

I was evaluating in comparison to the 1♣ opening... but....

 

I think that's worthy of another thread.

[jdulmage]

hi,playing sayc

 

Dealer: South Vul: ???? Scoring: IMP

♠ A ♥ Kxx ♦ Kxxx ♣ AJ963

 

what will you open and respond?

for open 1♣,what would you bid after p's respond?

a) 1♥

b  1♠

c) 1NT

 

for open 1NT(15-17),what would you bid after your pd's 3NT and an X by opps?

 

for open 1♦,what would you do after 1♥ from p?

 

thx all for the comment  :lol:

After 1♣:

 

a) I would bid 2♥, playing in no trump is NOT going to happen unless partner happens to have 3 spades to the KJx or something.

 

B - Bid 1NT, I don't like it, but what can you do, 2♦ is a reverse and 2♣ is flat out lying.

 

c) Believe it or not, I am tempted to pass. Partner has denied a 4 card suit, so he has less than 3 or less spades and I have a singleton. Surely in no trump, they will attack the spades so unless I can pick up 8 tricks in the minors and my ace of spades in time to hold the fort, I am toast. PASS on a good day, 2NT on a bad day.

 

 

For 1NT:

 

I would most likely bid 4♣, for the same reason as my "c)" answer. They must have a pile of spades and outside entries to boot. I'm going to get destroyed.

 

 

For 1♦ open:

 

I would bid 2♣, easily, I now have room to show both minors.

[Free]

Because you think your opponents, with a nine card spade fit, are going to let you play there?  We have either two 8 card fits or a nine card fit ourselves. 

 

I see two very strong possibilities for this hand after my partner denies four spades:

 

1.  We make 3NT.

 

2.  They make 3♠.

 

The opponents were kind enough to pass even though they have at least 16 cards in the majors.  They aren't going to pass a second time.  Bid 2NT or 3♣ if you're chicken, but don't let them find their spade fit.

First of all, I don't think they'll pass, but just give them a chance ok?

Second, 3NT is VERY VERY VERY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR AWAAAAAAAAAAAY!

Third, 3♠ might make, ok, but howcome none of them bid ♠s in the first round anyway??? :lol: Why will they bid them now?

 

My advice: Take off your rose glasses!

[jtfanclub]

Third, 3♠ might make, ok, but howcome none of them bid ♠s in the first round anyway??? :lol: Why will they bid them now?

The two big reasons I can think of are:

 

1) An X over 1NT isn't takeout in their system.

 

2) Your partner has a max, so you have game and they don't have the points to bid.

 

What reasons do you have?

[junyi_zhu]

hi,playing sayc

 

[hv=d=s&s=sahkxxdkxxxcaj963]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

what will you open and respond?

for open 1♣,what would you bid after p's respond?

a) 1♥

b 1♠

c) 1NT

 

for open 1NT(15-17),what would you bid after your pd's 3NT and an X by opps?

 

for open 1♦,what would you do after 1♥ from p?

 

thx all for the comment :D

you don't have much choice here, just rebid 2C in all three situations. I don't like 2C, but 2C is the lest of evil. 1NT is an underbid and parter may pass your 1NT with 10 or bad 11 which you really want to play a game. 2H over 1H is no good either, because partner would pass with flat 10 counts and 4 hearts which you'd like to play 3NT, for example: SKxx HAxxx Dxxx CKxx, if you bid 2C at least you'd hear a 3C raise from partner. Over 1NT, you should pull it to 2C and partner can cuebid at two level with club support, maximum and values in that suit or pass it with a minimum hand.

[HeartA]

Agree with Junyi. 2C is my only choice whether partner responds 1H, 1S or 1N.

[pclayton]

I'm with Richard; open it 1N. One problem to worry about; many other problems solved. No reason to run if it gets doubled; would I feel any better if my spades were Ax?

[junyi_zhu]

I'm with Richard; open it 1N. One problem to worry about; many other problems solved. No reason to run if it gets doubled; would I feel any better if my spades were Ax?

1NT is not bad for MP. For IMP, it's a little bit risky because 5-4-3-1 is really a suit oriented shape, you may easily bury your minor suits when 5m or 6m are cold and 3NT has no good play.

[Flame]

sayc tells you to open 1♣.  If you don't, you don't play sayc...

 

After 1NT: pass

Because you think your opponents, with a nine card spade fit, are going to let you play there? We have either two 8 card fits or a nine card fit ourselves.

 

I see two very strong possibilities for this hand after my partner denies four spades:

 

1. We make 3NT.

 

2. They make 3♠.

 

The opponents were kind enough to pass even though they have at least 16 cards in the majors. They aren't going to pass a second time. Bid 2NT or 3♣ if you're chicken, but don't let them find their spade fit.

They have a spade fit, but im not sure we can do much about it.

2nt and 3c are both asking partner to bid 3nt with a good hand.

2c might even help them to get to there spade.

bidding 2nt and 3c as partly a save bid (you hope to make but know you will go down most of the time and hope even then you have a good score) is a nice idea, but i think i would choose to pass 1nt and then compete the hand to 3c and let them buy it in 3sp.

[Flame]

1NT look nice but with my luck partner will definetly have 6 card spade suit and we will play in 4sp on 6-1. the good thing is this might just be the right contract.

[HeartA]

1NT look nice but with my luck partner will definetly have 6 card spade suit and we will play in 4sp on 6-1. the good thing is this might just be the right contract.

Well, if your partner holds KQxxxx of spades, and is checking for slam with RKC, he wouldn't expect any losers in spades. Or if he has Kxxxxx or QTxxxx, he expects one loser only. ......

[pclayton]

You have to make a philosophical decision if you are going to open this genre of hands with 1N: stiff honor, right point count, hellish rebid. If you do, then you will accept the occasional silly result about playing the 5-1 2♠ contract, or the hopeless 3N when you can't control the spade suit.

 

OTOH, not opening the hand 1N will lead to silly results as well. You will frequently play in a 4-2 diamond fit or a 5-1 club fit. Nothing is perfect and no one can be 100% confident on this, unless they have a specific system to handle hands like this.