jillybean Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 We are into the semi's in our second match (despite me doubling making game contracts :( :o ) and have this handto review. Partner opens 1♦, you hold x,KQJ87,T6,KJ986 1♦:1♥2♦:? What is your bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 3♦ we have a fit and I want to invite game. Although more interested in hearts than notrumps or diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 3♦, we'll raise 3♥ to game, bid 3nt over 3♠, pass 3nt, and be ok if partner passes 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 3♦, we'll raise 3♥ to game, bid 3nt over 3♠, pass 3nt, and be ok if partner passes 3♦.+1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 3♦ for me as well. move a diamond to spades and then we have a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 move a diamond to spades and then we have a problem.2♥. solved your problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted December 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 This was the auction at our table. [hv=pc=n&s=s5hkqj87dt6ckj986&n=sq64h5dakq843ca52&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1dp1hp2dp3cp3sp4dp5dppp]266|200[/hv] My partner says 3♣ is game forcing but we should be able to stop in 4m with no fit. I say 3♣ is unconditionaly game forcing, we don't have the special agreements to allow us to stop below game once 3♣ is bid. We know some experienced partnerships allow the auction to die in 4m with no fit after an otherwise gf sequence but haven't discussed this in detail. In this auction I assume responder would have to jump to 5♦ or 4♥ if she wanted to force game and 4♦ was nf? And we need well refined hand analysis skills to do this. The good news is that we made 5♦ :P , the bad news, our t/m let them make 3N at their table. :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 3♣ is GF, only time to stop in 4m in undisrupted auction is when both hands are limited, for example 1♦-1♥-2♦-3♦-3♠-4♦-pass is possible. But when one hand is unlimited then it must be forcing. This is at least how I play and how I think everyone should play, some partnerships might agree to be able to end up in 4m, but IMO even if marginally better (I doubt it), overcomplicates things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 The problem is the 3♣ rebid by Responder.... not that it is a bad bid, but it takes up too much space when you essentially want to know if opener has 3 cards ♥. When opener does not have 3 cards ♥, s/he is left with fewer options for a rebid. If Responder uses "cheapest new suit forcing, artificial" ( EDIT addition: 2♠ ), then Opener here could rebid 2NT = showing a stop ( or partial stop ) in the other Major. He was reluctant to rebid 3NT over 3♣, although I suspect that the other table did not show such reluctance.... and hoped his ♦ would run . And if Opener did not have a ♠-stop, there is still room to show a 4 card ♣ suit at the 3-level. The final option for "none of the above" for Opener is a 3♦ rebid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 In line with Don's response, what would you use 2♠ for in this sequence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 This was the auction at our table. [hv=pc=n&s=s5hkqj87dt6ckj986&n=sq64h5dakq843ca52&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1dp1hp2dp3cp3sp4dp5dppp]266|200[/hv] My partner says 3♣ is game forcing but we should be able to stop in 4m with no fit. I say 3♣ is unconditionaly game forcing, we don't have the special agreements to allow us to stop below game once 3♣ is bid. We know some experienced partnerships allow the auction to die in 4m with no fit after an otherwise gf sequence but haven't discussed this in detail. In this auction I assume responder would have to jump to 5♦ or 4♥ if she wanted to force game and 4♦ was nf? And we need well refined hand analysis skills to do this. The good news is that we made 5♦ :P , the bad news, our t/m let them make 3N at their table. :ph34r: fwiw prefer north jump rebid to 3d with this one. Granted jump rebids in minors are pretty wide ranging. In any case agree that 3c here would be gf and prefer 3d rebid by south over 2d. Dont think south is near a gf over 2d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 fwiw prefer north jump rebid to 3d with this one. Its close but I don't mind 2♦ that much with the stiff heart. Obviously ♦ AKQxxx and ♣ A are good and you could miss a game opposite not that much but quick tricks e.g. both major suit aces and two or three small diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 fwiw prefer north jump rebid to 3d with this one. Its close but I don't mind 2♦ that much with the stiff heart. Obviously ♦ AKQxxx and ♣ A are good and you could miss a game opposite not that much but quick tricks e.g. both major suit aces and two or three small diamonds. Against that there are a bunch of maximums with softer cards where you do not have nine quick tricks - even if the diamonds run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 1D - 1H - 3D for me as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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