Cascade Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 ♠ A9762♥ AK♦ 652♣ AQ10 Weak no trumpFour Card Majors - partner will raise with most hands with three trumps and a few pointsNil VulnerableMatchpoints (Edit Addition) Pass (Pass) 1♠ (2♦)Pass (Pass) ? If you don't pass what will you do over partner's various actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I would pass. I don't think we have game , and I don't have any comfortable course of action if I double and pd bids 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I would pass. I don't think we have game , and I don't have any comfortable course of action if I double and pd bids 2♥. Sorry I forgot to mention it is matchpoints. Not sure if that make a difference but it might when you say you don't think we have a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I will act. I don't know enough about playing this system to know if X or 2♠ is better, but I suspect X is the right choice, passing 2♥ if partner bids it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 nobody vul, MPs.... lets bid double and pass 2M from partner, I will compete to 3♠ if partner bids 2♠ and RHO 3♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I'd double and pass most actions by partner but bid 2♠ over 2♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Partner did not negX, did not 2H, nor 2S. What is left for me to hope for?My partner is aggressive to not be shut out at low levels. He would have shown most "have hearts" "spades OK". That leaves stuff but his suit is clubs/diamonds, or he is bust.17 with 3xD isn't the world. PASS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 Partner did not negX, did not 2H, nor 2S. What is left for me to hope for?My partner is aggressive to not be shut out at low levels. He would have shown most "have hearts" "spades OK". That leaves stuff but his suit is clubs/diamonds, or he is bust.17 with 3xD isn't the world. PASS.What range do you think partner has assuming he is not trap passing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbenvic Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I'm crazy but I just cant sell out to 2m here. I feel dirty but will bid 2s as I have the wrong shape to re-open here. I have sympathy with partner if they held that hand and X 2♦ I reckon this is a good hand to discuss with partner what you do and why. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted December 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 What range do you think partner has assuming he is not trap passing? 0-5 at most with 4+ hearts or 3+ spades. Slightly more with long clubs (or very awkward hands with weak long diamonds). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 nobody vul, MPs.... lets bid double and pass 2M from partner, I will compete to 3♠ if partner bids 2♠ and RHO 3♦. I suppose it is possible to make 2H in a 4-2 fit. However I will pass this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 .......... I will compete to 3♠ if partner bids 2♠ and RHO 3♦. WoW...You will compete to 3♠ if pd bids 2♠ over DBL and they bid 3♦ ? May i ask why would you do that ? Due to your irresistable huge 5-2 ♠ fit ? Or due to your pd who is coming from pass, passed over 2♦ and bid only 2♠ over your DBL ? Due to your super ♠ texture ? Or due to your unexpected extremely wild shape ? I must be missing something about this hand Gonzalo, but as far as i see it, you just broke every and each principle of partscore competition imo and keep on bidding all by urself just because you have a K extra then a normal opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Exactly as fluffy.!What do you think partner has?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 WoW...You will compete to 3♠ if pd bids 2♠ over DBL and they bid 3♦ ? May i ask why would you do that ? Due to your irresistable huge 5-2 ♠ fit ? Or due to your pd who is coming from pass, passed over 2♦ and bid only 2♠ over your DBL ? Due to your super ♠ texture ? Or due to your unexpected extremely wild shape ? I must be missing something about this hand Gonzalo, but as far as i see it, you just broke every and each principle of partscore competition imo and keep on bidding all by urself just because you have a K extra then a normal opener.That´s nothing I said lightly as I use to Timo, I really took my time to consider if I´d bid 3♠ or not, the chances that partner is broke with 3 spades compared to partner having 2 spades are in favour of him having 3. Why? because partner is short in diamonds after the raise. And partner had 2♥ and 3♣ avaible over my double, yet he picked 2♠. 3♠ could indeed be a disaster, but so would be pass when partner has 3♠ 1♦ and no values. Certainly there are some opponents against whoom I´d rather double than bid 3♠, but on a normal basis I´d go for the push as stupid as it might look. This is nobody vul MPs, where -50 and -100 normally earns you 60-75% board, and +50/+100 the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 1, 2011 Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 my partner has any 0-7 hand without 3 spades in my book, doubling with 6-7 will put you in unmakeable games when we have a hand like this. Anyway I still double, I don´t expect the 4-2 heart fit to make the contract, but all we need is that it scores better than 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted December 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2011 Four Card Majors - partner will raise with most hands with three trumps and a few points WoW...You will compete to 3♠ if pd bids 2♠ over DBL and they bid 3♦ ? May i ask why would you do that ? Due to your irresistable huge 5-2 ♠ fit ? I suspect the chance of partner bidding 2♠ with two spades is close to 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 That´s nothing I said lightly as I use to Timo, I really took my time to consider if I´d bid 3♠ or not, the chances that partner is broke with 3 spades compared to partner having 2 spades are in favour of him having 3. Fair enough, i admit you are correct on this one. my partner has any 0-7 hand without 3 spades in my book, doubling with 6-7 will put you in unmakeable games when we have a hand like this. Anyway I still double, I don´t expect the 4-2 heart fit to make the contract, but all we need is that it scores better than 2♦. I dont mind the double Gonzalo, i am a bit surprised you bidding 3♠ after DBL by yourself. I mean you totally judging and executing by yourself. Pd has 3♠ (agreed if he bids 2♠), pd has short ♦ (umm ok) and pd has some values ? And is this pd not allowed to bid his own hand ? I mean you usually need to have 9 card fit to bid at 3 level. Neither your trump fit, nor your trump texture seems like good enuf to bid at 3 level. No need to mention pd, coming from pass, having passed 2♦ and bid only 2♠ (note that he doesnt know that you know he has 3 card ♠ from your hand) will bid 3 if he is stiff or void in ♦, no ? Maybe he has xxx ♦, can u say impossible ? Overcaller has 5 of them and other douchebag decided not to sell to 2♠. My point is you are bidding this hand like an unstoppable runaway truck bro ;) Your ♠ texture is a danger sign, it is easier even for the most chicken opponents to DBL with 1-2 trump tricks and a lot of hcps. After all your pd had 3♠ and could not even bid 2♠ over DBL. No need to mention, as u look at the replies, even doubling with this hand is not clear and not an option by some people, let alone keep on bidding. So by bringing them to 3 ♦ you are 1 level ahead of the players who passed, you have an extra Ace compared to them now, why ruin the good work and go for throat and a top score ? Maybe i am too chicken :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I have 4+ defensive tricks and I would very much prefer opps play at 3 level vs 2 level. I would x mainly because it seemsMP weak to let opps play at the relatively safe 2 level (especially when their trump suit is breaking evenly). I will pass whatever p bids as scoring 8 tricks even in a 42heart fit doesn't seem so far off assuming p has short spades. Even down 1 is probably a better MP score than opps making 2or 3 dia. If opps go to 3d I have done my best and will sit and try to set. I admit that I would do the same at IMPS becasue thereis very little risk (opps will almost never have a game)and a decent upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 my partner has any 0-7 hand without 3 spades in my book, doubling with 6-7 will put you in unmakeable games when we have a hand like this. See thats another thing, not doubling with 6-7 hcp. Some people do some dont. I agree that it brings us to some no play games, but if my pd is someone like you, who would never stop bidding just incase my pass can have 6-7 hcp and that i didnt DBL due to our agreement, then hell...i prefer ending up in no play games than my pd bailing out telephone numbers when they were about to play and get 110 or 130. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Now distinguish partner's reply when you have S:A9762H:AK52D:6C:AQ10which really wants partner's 4xH with S:K to go 4H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 ugh... I've been known to pass in situations like this. So far I can't complain, so I guess I continue to do it :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 See thats another thing, not doubling with 6-7 hcp. Some people do some dont. I agree that it brings us to some no play games, but if my pd is someone like you, who would never stop bidding just incase my pass can have 6-7 hcp and that i didnt DBL due to our agreement, then hell...i prefer ending up in no play games than my pd bailing out telephone numbers when they were about to play and get 110 or 130.Partner might very well jump after double with 6-7, I don´t really expect partner to have 6-7, I think you missunerstood something because I never intended to play partner for an upper range when taking the push to 3. When I bid 3♠ over 3♦ is because I expect him to have a close to yarborough. When he has some values he might bid 3♠ himself. I´m not a big expert on 4 card majors anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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