jillybean Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [hv=pc=n&n=skq986hdacakqj764&d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1c2h2n4h]133|200[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I'd bid 5nt pick a slam and raise clubs or spades or nt to 7, if partner bids 6♦, I'd try 7♣ and let partner pass/correct. Sorry partner if your spade stopper was JTxx. My partner gambled and opened the N hand 1♠ (I don't like it, but it worked), and E didn't act, so our auction was much, much easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 How about 5♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 How about 5♠? I agree with 5♠ it must be forcing. I will raise 6♣ or 6♠ to seven. Not sure about NTs though. Will probably bid 7♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sajt3hak6dt9872ct&w=s4h9432dj653c9852&n=skq986hdacakqj764&e=s752hqjt875dkq4c3&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1c2h2n4h5s]399|300[/hv] Here's the full hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Jilly, you didn't finish the auction. Did you find the grand slam? Did you find 7NT? What happened at the other table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 2nt is absurd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I'd bid 5nt pick a slam and raise clubs or spades or nt to 7, if partner bids 6♦, I'd try 7♣ and let partner pass/correct. Sorry partner if your spade stopper was JTxx. I don't think partner has shown a spade stopper. What's he supposed to bid with xxx AQx KQxx xxx ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Your partner had a normal neg x of 2H? That would have helped a lot here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I played in 5♠ :( :ph34r: :( At the other table the auction was2♣:2♦2♠:3♠keycard somewhere - 7♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Kathryn Your partner made two errors The first was the under/misbid of 2N. Wrong on 2 counts: denies 4 spades and denies an opening hand. We sometimes have to choose between an underbid and an overbid, but we should never have to choose between a hand-hogging notrump and a proper negative double.....as South, we can always get back to notrump after doubling...we will rarely get back to spades after notrump. The second error was passing 5♠...a truly awful decision.....wtf did he/she think you held for 5♠????? S should bid 6♥ over 5♠....unexpectedly good spades.....and the heart A. N can now happily bid 7N (thinking it needs 3-2 spades or AJx in partner's hand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 If the auction had gone 1♣ (2♥) X (4♥), what is my bid now?5♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Nobody has said whether 5S is forcing or not. If not I think it is a horrible bid, I certainly want to be in slam. Can 5S be NF? If we assume that it shows 5-6 in the blacks (I think it does) then it doesn't make much sense for it to be NF. On a similar note, would 6S be forcing? Playing with an inexperienced partner (which certainly seems to be the case, 2NT and pass!) I think there is something to be said for forgetting about playing in spades. It is unlikely that clubs will play worse than spades. YOu could start with 5H. If partner bids 5S (which must be a cuebid, partner denied 4 spades) then you can bid 7C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I agree with 5♠ it must be forcing. Nobody has said whether 5S is forcing or not. If not I think it is a horrible bid, I certainly want to be in slam. Can 5S be NF? If we assume that it shows 5-6 in the blacks (I think it does) then it doesn't make much sense for it to be NF. On a similar note, would 6S be forcing? Playing with an inexperienced partner (which certainly seems to be the case, 2NT and pass!) I think there is something to be said for forgetting about playing in spades. It is unlikely that clubs will play worse than spades. YOu could start with 5H. If partner bids 5S (which must be a cuebid, partner denied 4 spades) then you can bid 7C. 1. I must be nobody ;) 2. This is board a match so 7♣ can easily be worse than 7♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 If the auction had gone 1♣ (2♥) X (4♥), what is my bid now?5♥? 7♠ unless you can made an exclusion bid - perhaps 6♥ or 5NT is Grand Slam force and your methods can identify one top honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I played in 5♠ :( :ph34r: :( At the other table the auction was2♣:2♦2♠:3♠keycard somewhere - 7♠ OMG your pard was brain dead this hand. 2NT seems to be an underbid with a double stop and a good 12 count. Of course a negX is normal for his hand, but if wanting to bid NT then he should just bid 3NT. But MUCH MUCH worse is passing your 5♠ with 4 card support and more strength than promised by his 2NT bid. After your fine 5♠ bid, PD holds the World's Fair here. .. neilkaz .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbenvic Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 I'm bidding 5♠ 4 is passable 5 must be forcing to 6♣ if partner hates ♠ or 6♠ if not. I'm opening 2♣ and depending on bidding would end up in 7s or 7NT. By opening it at the 1 level you are going to have a lot of trouble convincing partner of your hand strength. You could easily have same hand with a small ♦ and a less solid ♣ suit, say AKTxxx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 I'm opening 2♣ and depending on bidding would end up in 7s or 7NT. By opening it at the 1 level you are going to have a lot of trouble convincing partner of your hand strength. You could easily have same hand with a small ♦ and a less solid ♣ suit, say AKTxxx I don't think convincing partner of our hand strength is necessarily a problem. In many maybe most auctions we are going to make the final decision and we have a good idea of our hand strength. When we anticipate that we will make the final decision the aim of the auction should be to gather as much information as possible rather than necessarily telling partner all about our hand strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 How about 4NT? If pard has 2 aces, bid 7NT. If not, just settle for 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Needless to say, we did not quailfy for the second day. We are now playing in the bottom KO bracket and have won enough gold for my partner to get her LM so there is much celebration here. But it feels like clubbing baby seals. :( We were as expected, totaly chewed up and spat out in the BAM. But what an experience to play against the likes of Sabine Auken and Daniel von Armin. :) I'd like to enter again with a more practised partnership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a472/a472.gif Congratulations on the life master promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 29, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a472/a472.gif Congratulations on the life master promotion.LOL & thanks, I will pass your congrats on to my partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 For what it's worth, partner and I bid this hand as: 1♣ - 3♥ - 3N - 4♥5♥ - PA - 6♥ - PA7♣ - PA - 7♦ - PA7♠ - All Pass The 1♣ opening was strong and artificial (16+ unbalanced or 17+ balanced). Opener thought that he should've bid 7♥ to offer a clear choice between 7♠/7NT; responder felt he couldn't bid 7NT on the actual auction because he wasn't sure opener's clubs were 100% solid nor that opener's diamond control couldn't be a void (but he would bid 7NT over 7♥). In any case, 7♠ was enough for us to win the board (6♠ at the other table). I agree that over 2♥, responder should make a negative double. Over 3♥ things become trickier though, because opener is fairly likely to bypass 3NT when he doesn't hold four spades (a heart stop for opener seems rather unlikely, considering). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted November 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 How about 4NT? If pard has 2 aces, bid 7NT. If not, just settle for 6C.4N - swish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 30, 2011 Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 If you say so :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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