MrAce Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=shaqjt95dt764ck72&w=saq842h642dj2ca83&n=sk9hk873dkq98cj65&e=sjt7653hda53cqt94&d=e&v=0&b=14&a=2s3h4sdppp]399|300[/hv] Imps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 If North made a penalty double with unshown four-card support, no aces, and a probably useless ♠K: North 100%. If North made a takeout or card-showing double and South left it in with a void: do my percentages have to sum to 100? Obviously South deserves 100%, but North contributed too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) I think gnasher has it right. In the first case North deserves 110%, in the second case N has 15% and S 120%. Edited November 27, 2011 by gwnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Why does north get points? Is 5H the correct bid and double bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 It's not black and white. 30% is too much though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 DBL was neither pure penalty nor pure take out. It showed cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 3, 2011 Report Share Posted December 3, 2011 It showed cards.13 of them? Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 :P WTF is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu D Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 The double seems pretty bad - if it's takeout or card showing, you're expecting partner to pull to 5H. With good 4 card support, you could just bid it yourself directly? Edit: South's pass is obviously complete toss though unless the double was penalties (because then he could hope north has long spades) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 13 of them? Wow! Oh! Demonstrating your skill set at making friends again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted December 15, 2011 Report Share Posted December 15, 2011 I don't have a problem with the double showing cards. I have a problem with 4 of them being Kxxx of hearts. How is South supposed to know to pull the double? He may have as many as 3 defensive tricks - 2 hearts and a club. And his spade void should imply that North has some spades. 100% to North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Oh! Demonstrating your skill set at making friends again.If you had just a little tiny amount of intelligence in that head of yours, you would realize that my post was about bridge, my opinion about "card showing" doubles, and who I blame. But I guess that's too difficult for you to understand. Even worse, you aren't even able to respond to the OP's question. You must be so proud of yourself... :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Geez. The 2♠ bid sucksThe 3♥ bid sucksI like 4♠Don't like the X. I blame everyone except W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 DBL was neither pure penalty nor pure take out. It showed cards.Ah..the blame transfer double. This seems to be a dubious decision with an often worthless K♠ and decent 4 card support for partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Geez. The 2♠ bid sucksThe 3♥ bid sucksI like 4♠Don't like the X. I blame everyone except W What do you suggest instead of 3♥ ? Enlighten us please. I can only think of pass since 4♥ is out of question. And i am sure when it comes back at ya at 4 level you would make the winning bid of 5♥ all by yourself and ta-ramm happy ending, right ? After all when someone opens weak 2 and his pd jumps to 4, he always has 5 card support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted December 20, 2011 Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 What do you suggest instead of 3♥ ? Enlighten us please. I can only think of pass since 4♥ is out of question. And i am sure when it comes back at ya at 4 level you would make the winning bid of 5♥ all by yourself and ta-ramm happy ending, right ? After all when someone opens weak 2 and his pd jumps to 4, he always has 5 card support. Ignorance has always been the weapon of tyrants; enlightenment the salvation of the free. FWIW I would pass 2♠ and pass again. Ofcourse, seeing all hands makes it easier to persuade that 3♥ has some merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2011 Ignorance has always been the weapon of tyrants; enlightenment the salvation of the free. FWIW I would pass 2♠ and pass again. Ofcourse, seeing all hands makes it easier to persuade that 3♥ has some merit. Fancy quotes dont really make a poor judgement look good. Sorry. If you think to persuade that 3♥ has "some merits" requires seeing all 4 hands, i strongly suggest you to stop ignoring the cards you hold. Look at them again and free your mind from bean count tyrany ;) I don't even think a decent player would consider this a close decision by the way. EDIT: FWIW i would bid 3♥ red vs white too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 :P This isn't much of a panel with you asking the question, and Justin and most of his pals off somewhere else. North's double is, quite possibly, the stupidist bid I have ever seen. You don't normally show at or above the 4 spade level; there is so little bidding room left that you usually must determine the contract. The ♠ king is presumably in the slot, and this is not a good sign. Even so, imho 5♥ is normal with four to the king in support. Passing might work, but it is taking a view.A double could show 'cards', but only in the sense that don't know what to do and you have to protect your equity in the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Hi, 3H is ok. Double is ok, sry what else? Ok, we have 4 card support, but we also have th king spades,usually badly placed and a bal. hand, and partner just ovrcalled3H, he may have only a 5 carder. Why do I need to go to the 5 level? Passing the double is also a reasonable decsision, partner nevershowed support. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Double if it doesn't show four hearts (and I assume it doesn't) is poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted December 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 Double if it doesn't show four hearts (and I assume it doesn't) is poor. Nope it didnt show 4 hearts of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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