the hog Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Partner opens 3C.Say you bid 3H. What do partner's responses mean for you?3S3NT4C4D4H4S (Does this one even exist? void xxxx xx AKJxxxx maybe?) What about 3C 3S - same meaning for responses? Has anyone played this structure:step 1 no support, bad handstep 2 no support good handstep 3 support, (Hx or xxx), bad handstep 4 support good hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I like 3♠=♥ fit and shortness3NT=♥ shortness4♣=Doubleton ♥4♦=♥fit and short4♥=At least Hx ♥, if 3 card no shortness. No i didnt play your structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Partner opens 3C.Say you bid 3H. What do partner's responses mean for you?3S3NT4C4D4H4S (Does this one even exist? void xxxx xx AKJxxxx maybe?) What about 3C 3S - same meaning for responses? Has anyone played this structure:step 1 no support, bad handstep 2 no support good handstep 3 support, (Hx or xxx), bad handstep 4 support good hand. 3s = control and heart support (normally this will be short but maybe Kx xxx KQJxxx xx)3n = three of top four honors in clubs no support4c = no support and not good enough for 3n4d = control same as 3s but denies spade conrol4h = support no control bid available if 3c 3s 3n = 3 of top 4 club honors no support4c = no support not good enouogh for 3n4d = support and dia control4h = support and heart control denies dia control4s = support and no control if bidding has gone 3c 3h I see no reason to bid 4s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 3♠ = stopper3N = diamond stopper4♣ = default4♦ = side suit. Probably better played as a big heart raise. 4♥ = just support - weaker than 4♦ maybe?4♠ = does not exist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Something similar when rebidding after a weak two and then two of a major (2♦-2M or 2♥-2♠) that I play with some is: 3M = weak raise2NT = strong raiseNew = strong non-raiseOwn = weak non-raise The space to do this aftter a 3-level bid seems to require a different approach. For one, I think 3♠ after a 3♥ response should be a frag, to cater to partner having both majors or needing a stop in spades. I could be convinced otherwise. I do like some idea of a power raise, perhaps four of the other minor? If I were to use 3♠ as a heart power raise, I would show shortness with my call. E.g., 3♣-3♥, 3♠ = stiff spade, 4♦ = stiff diamond. But, perhaps 3♠ as stiff-indicating (3NT ask, then steps) but 4-other-minor as 2-card power raise and 7-2-2-2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 After 3♣-3♥, how about:3♠ = no heart support, good club suit3NT = no heart support, bad club suit4♣ = heart support, spade shortage4♦ = heart support, shortage4♥ = heart support, no shortage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 After 3♣-3♥, how about:3♠ = no heart support, good club suit3NT = no heart support, bad club suit4♣ = heart support, spade shortage4♦ = heart support, shortage4♥ = heart support, no shortageI like that. I currently play that the preempter is not allowed to bid past 3NT, unless he has support for responder's suit. But we haven't defined in more detail what four level bids should mean (therefore, by default, they are cues for hearts).Our agreement is:After 3♣-3♥:3♠ = no heart support, something in spades3NT = no heart support, default bid4♣ = heart support, cue4♦ = heart support, cue4♥ = heart support, no slam interest Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 After 3♣-3♥, how about:3♠ = no heart support, good club suit3NT = no heart support, bad club suit4♣ = heart support, spade shortage4♦ = heart support, shortage4♥ = heart support, no shortageAfter a vulnerable second position preempt is fine, but opposite a non vulnerable first position preempt (wide ranging) I´d rather have some hand evaluation to min-max at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Over a 3C preempt i suggest to play that 3M show a 6 card suit and 3D ask for 3M by preemptor its in the ROMEX book. 3C--3DThe natural method 3H = 3h3S = 3s3Nt no 3M the artificial 3H = no M or 3S3S = 3H3NT = both M I tend to put the strong hand as declarer but give costly lead directing X so im not sure wich is best. over 3C--3H (showing 6) preempter can bid 3S to relay to 3nt and 3Nt to show a H fit if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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