kgr Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [hv=pc=n&s=sahkqtda9872cakq2&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=2d(multi)p2sp2n(22-23%20NT)p3c(Puppet%20Stayman)p3n(No%204%20or%205c%20Major)p4n(Quantitative)p]133|200|IMP's[/hv](2♠ showed something in ♥. Preemptive or invitational against a weak 2♥)Your partner bids 4NT Quantitative and you have a minimum in HCP.Is your hand good enough to bid? 5♦ shows a max with 4c♦; 6♦ max with 5c♦.What is your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 if I bid 5c will partner show a 4 card suit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Partner's strenght is on a range where he won´t be playing mind games with 2♠. So he has 4♥, and 2♠ at most. This means at least 1 4-card minor is there. I don´t even count my HCP here, I have 3 losers! how can I not play slam in a minor? 5♠ comes to mind, but partner would need some imagination. Depending on partner I might try 6♦, 5♣ or 5♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Unless I have some bid to ask pard to bid a minor, I'd try 5D and pull pard's bid to 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slmplicity Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 5NT. I'm sure we want to give slam in a minor a go, but we need to illicit partners help regarding strain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 A common treatment where i learnt bridge over 4NT quant 5x = cheaper of 4-4 suits (in this case minors since we denied 4 card M) 6x = 5 or 6 card suit. This method ignores ace responding over 4NT quantitative when accepting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I'd bid 5NT and try to scramble to a minor fit, at least, if partner understands this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 As partner is sure to have 4m 5C (baron) will do the job. No reason to get fancy here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted November 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 - 5♠=I didn't consider this one, but it can only be both majors. Probably the best bid with this hand.- My plan was to bid 5♦ followed by 6♣, but maybe 5♣ is better. 5♦ shows a 4c♦, but this was impossible for my partner because then I would have 3343 and I would have bid 6NT. So he 'knew' that I had a 5c♦. If I start with 5♣ then he would know that I have 2/3=4=4.This was the full hand and bidding:[hv=pc=n&s=sahkqtda9872cakq2&n=sk2haj32dt43cj543&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=2d(multi)p2sp2n(22-23)p3c(puppet)p3n(no%20majors)p4np5d(4cD)p6dppp]266|200[/hv]All Slams go down.Maybe my partner should realise that I have a bad 5cD and should bid 5NT iso 6D. Then I would bid 6C and go down in 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Maybe your partner should realise that 9 + 23 = 32. He also has poor spot cards and his high cards are opposite your short suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Maybe your partner should realise that 9 + 23 = 32. I was going to post the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmilne Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Maybe your partner should realise that 9 + 23 = 32. He also has poor spot cards and his high cards are opposite your short suits. Yeah, I blame partner for bidding this way with the wrong 9-count. If only he'd had xx Axxx KQxx xxx and we could almost claim 7♦ at trick 1! NB: Mostly sarcastic. I wouldn't invite slam either, but it's not because of the spots, it's because of the jacks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 5NT. I'm sure we want to give slam in a minor a go, but we need to illicit partners help regarding strain. What does "illicit partner's help" mean? Try to discover his opinion by illegal means? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 I play 5N as a buck passing operation in response to 4N quantitative, which I suspect works fairly well here as partner will pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_20686 Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 What does "illicit partner's help" mean? Try to discover his opinion by illegal means? Pretty sure he means Elicit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexJonson Posted November 29, 2011 Report Share Posted November 29, 2011 Pretty sure he means Elicit. Correction... did you intend the capital at the start of elicit? It was a good post (IMO) from Vampyr, though I don't do voting or read it. But in general on an international Bridge site, spelling, implied pronunciation, grammatical correctness, precision in meaning...All for the point in the day or the point in your self esteem where Bridge isn't cutting it any more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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