Bussy Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Dealer: East / MPs / All white Pd (North) opens 1♦ in 4th Seat.Op (East) bids 1♠. What is your bid with: ♣ 1098♦ 10752♥ QJ87♠ A2 What is your 2nd bid after West raises to 2♠ and Pd passes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Dealer: East / MPs / All white Pd (North) opens 1♦ in 4th Seat.Op (East) bids 1♠. What is your bid with: ♣ 1098♦ 10752♥ QJ87♠ A2 What is your 2nd bid after West raises to 2♠ and Pd passes? Did you reverse the order of the hand or just the symbols?In both cases - I would double, and correct to ♦ if partner bids ♣. If he bids hearts or NT I am happy. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bussy Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Oh sorry, right. I have reversed the order. ♠ A2♥ QJ87♦ 10752♣ 1098 Question 2) Bidding goes: East - South - West - North Pass - Pass - Pass - 1♦1♠ - (????) - 2♠ - PassPass - ?? Edited November 24, 2011 by Bussy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I would double , and compete with 3♦ over their 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 X then 3D. 3D is pretty sick but...MP w/w, this is how we roll! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 East - South - West - North Pass - Pass - Pass - 1♦1♠ - (????) - 2♠ - PassPass - ?? 3♦, and hope we dont go for -2 doubled....I see no reason to think that 2♠ is not making, so as long as we loose less than 110 it would be good. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slmplicity Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 X and 3♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I wouldn't be worried about being doubled in 3♦. The main problem is that the 3♦ bid has a very wide range - from this hand (or worse) all the way up to an 11-count. As usual, I think transfers are the answer - 2NT showing clubs, 3♣ showing diamonds weak or game-forcing, 3♦ natural invitational. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I wouldn't be worried about being doubled in 3♦. The main problem is that the 3♦ bid has a very wide range - from this hand (or worse) all the way up to an 11-count. As usual, I think transfers are the answer - 2NT showing clubs, 3♣ showing diamonds weak or game-forcing, 3♦ natural invitational.I wouldn't have this problem with this sequence (which I'd also adopt) as an initial 2♦ would be inverted not denying 4M 10+, so I'm limited to 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I wouldn't have this problem with this sequence (which I'd also adopt) as an initial 2♦ would be inverted not denying 4M 10+, so I'm limited to 9.Your opening 1D bid also promises 4+. Presumably the inverted 2D response also guarantees an 8 card fit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bussy Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I wouldn't be worried about being doubled in 3♦. The main problem is that the 3♦ bid has a very wide range - from this hand (or worse) all the way up to an 11-count. As usual, I think transfers are the answer - 2NT showing clubs, 3♣ showing diamonds weak or game-forcing, 3♦ natural invitational. That is the point! Yesterday I've doubled first & bidden 3♦ over 2♠. My partner (with a nice 14 HCP hand / also King of ♠) tried 3NT... - doubled/ -2. "I thought you had 10/11 points p..."I like your Lebensohl-like sequence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I wouldn't have this problem with this sequence (which I'd also adopt) as an initial 2♦ would be inverted not denying 4M 10+, so I'm limited to 9.It must be fun trying to cope with sequences like 1♦ (1♠) 2♦ (3♠). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Dbl and 3♦ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I would just raise to 2♦ on the first round. The downside is when we make 110 in diamonds instead of 140 in hearts. But once I have raised, it will be much easier for partner to make the right decision about whether to compete further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 ♠ A2 ♥ QJ87 ♦ 10752 ♣ 1098(Pass) - Pass - (Pass) - 1♦(1♠) - ?1 - (2♠) - Pass(Pass) - ?2 IMO2♦ = 10, Double = 9, 3♦ = 6. This hand is worth only one bid.If you doubled 1♠, then 3♦ = 10, Pass = 9. Otherwise pass = 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 It must be fun trying to cope with sequences like 1♦ (1♠) 2♦ (3♠).Actually no problem at all here with the 4th seat 1♦, can be more of a problem with the first seat version but curiously has never actually caused us a problem as far as I can remember in the 15 odd years we've played this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 It must be fun trying to cope with sequences like 1♦ (1♠) 2♦ (3♠).Actually no problem at all here with the 4th seat 1♦, can be more of a problem with the first seat version but curiously has never actually caused us a problem as far as I can remember in the 15 odd years we've played this.You have never missed a cold 4♥ bidding like this? Maybe you have played this for 15 years, but how many boards do you play per year? ;) Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 You have never missed a cold 4♥ bidding like this? Maybe you have played this for 15 years, but how many boards do you play per year? ;) RikNot as many as I used to but enough, X from either side still shows hearts for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onedown Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 There are 4 bids over 1♠, neg x, 1nt and 2♦ (if not inverted) and 3♦ if playing inverted (a bit insane)..I give a neg x 10, as it seems the most sensible and describes my holding since we may be missing a heart fit. I give NT a 5 and 2♦a 7, but it is also not so good for the same reason...I pass 2♠...why am I competing with 3 ♦at IMPs??....3♦ promises a lot more than a balanced 7 count..and do I really want go for 300? ESPECIALLY when pard passes 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 I would be competing with 3D and not worried that partner will think I am inviting game. Second double=more strength 2NT=more distribution, hearts and clubs.3D=this hand. We already know pard has a good 13-14, and 4 diamonds (at least). She opened the bidding in 4th chair and doesn't have spades; she won't restate that fact by bidding again over 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 I would be competing with 3D and not worried that partner will think I am inviting game. I agree, to me DBL and then 3♦ shd be less than invitation values. Or it gets really messy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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