Pass Forcing?

[InTime]

If the bidding is:

1NT* - (Pass) - 2♦ - (Double)

2NT** - (4♦) - Pass?

 

* 15-17

** breaking the transfer with max

 

Is the pass from partner forcing here?

Regards

[gnasher]

No. We could have 17 opposite 0.

[S2000magic]

Agreed: we haven't committed to (or even suggested) even a game contract, so we cannot make a forcing pass.

[CSGibson]

My own rule is that if there is any doubt, pass is not forcing. Fortunately, on this hand there is no doubt, since responder has not shown any values.

[Free]

Not in a million years. Similar to turning your computer off and on again when it crashes, the first thing you need to consider to decide if a pass is forcing or not is if partner has promissed any values. This probably solves 90% of the FP questions on this forum. :)

[mikeh]

To me, the question is: how far was the partnership forced before the opps' last bid?

 

Here, 2N forced to the 3-level. That means the opps cannot play undoubled below 3♥.

 

They are higher than 3♥.

 

Therefore they can play undoubled and we can pass.

 

While fp scenarios can be complex (you should see Kokish's notes on fp!), most situations can be encompassed in a few rules and the rule that in sequences in which we have established a force to a certain level, opposition action beyond that level doesn't create a fp is a basic and easily remembered approach.

 

Edit: without detracting from the foregoing, this particular auction might well NOT be forcing even over 3♦ for the reasons given by others.....partner hasn't shown any values at all. The rule I describe above should only apply when the partnership has shown the values to force to a certain level. Oh well, I did say that fp scenarios can be complex.

[MrAce]

To me, the question is: how far was the partnership forced before the opps' last bid?

 

Here, 2N forced to the 3-level. That means the opps cannot play undoubled below 3♥.

 

They are higher than 3♥.

 

Therefore they can play undoubled and we can pass.

 

While fp scenarios can be complex (you should see Kokish's notes on fp!), most situations can be encompassed in a few rules and the rule that in sequences in which we have established a force to a certain level, opposition action beyond that level doesn't create a fp is a basic and easily remembered approach.

 

Edit: without detracting from the foregoing, this particular auction might well NOT be forcing even over 3♦ for the reasons given by others.....partner hasn't shown any values at all. The rule I describe above should only apply when the partnership has shown the values to force to a certain level. Oh well, I did say that fp scenarios can be complex.

 

MikeH, should i take your explenation as

 

1♠-(3♥-4♥-(5♥)

pass is not forcing for you since opener was forced to only 4♠ ?

 

I dont play it this way, but i didnt write this to disagree, just trying to make sure if i understood you correctly.