jerdonald Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 BBO forum, I always tell new bridge players that the most important thing you can do on defense is "watch your partner's discards" and the hardest thing to do on defense is "watch your partner's discards". I'm currently trying to make a short list of just the worst mistakes at bridge. Here, in no particular order, is what I have so far. Not taking enough time to think about partner's bids. Not analyzing the opening lead. Forgetting the trump count. Loosing trump control. Take a finesse when there is a possible endplay. Not watching your partners discards. Any additions, comments, etc. remembering that these are for relatively new players. jerryd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 BBO forum, I always tell new bridge players that the most important thing you can do on defense is "watch your partner's discards" and the hardest thing to do on defense is "watch your partner's discards". I'm currently trying to make a short list of just the worst mistakes at bridge. Here, in no particular order, is what I have so far. Not taking enough time to think about partner's bids. Not analyzing the opening lead. Forgetting the trump count. Loosing trump control. Take a finesse when there is a possible endplay. Not watching your partners discards. Any additions, comments, etc. remembering that these are for relatively new players. jerryd Off the top of my head I would change not thinking about partner's bids to not thinking of the auction in general. Or add not thinking enough about the opponents' bids. For example, if you are declaring, and LHO was dealer and passed, and you see that LHO has shown up with an AK, and an A, you know that she does not have a missing Q (unless she misbid). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Worst mistakes at bridge:- Not caring about partner- Letting (good or bad) results of previous boards get to your head- Forgetting to drink (and sometimes eat) enough Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BunnyGo Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 I think that most of the card play problems above come from not counting and recounting and rerecounting the hand: 1) What shape did the players start with?2) What do they have left? I think that Rik is correct that the problems he mentioned are more important (and more likely to get in the way of your results and your fun both), but in terms of defense I think Kelsey (Killing Defense) had it exactly right, it all starts with counting. You can often get away with not looking at anything else if you can count out the hand for yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 The worst mistake is the one that you don't learn from. A less glib answer: Believing that counting is "too hard" for a new/intermediate/bad player. Unless you didn't complete 2nd grade, I have confidence in your ability to count if you just try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 - Forgetting to drink (and sometimes eat) enoughDrinking too much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Some time ago there was a post on the forums about hand paterns.4333-5332-6331...Learn these and really focus as much as possible during the play. This is probably the advise that has improved my bridge the most. And still on some hands I'm not yet focussed enough. Sometimes I only start focussing in the middle of the hand when it is to late.Any study of Squeeze, endplays, ... will be much more valuable if you first do the above.Edited :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 my worst mistakes are when I don´t think enough. I play a lot better against slow players than against fast players, and that is an important sympthom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Some time ago there was a post on the forums about hand paterns.4443-5332-6331...Learn these. One of those, I choose to forget :rolleyes: But, Absolutely valuable for people struggling to count. I tell any newer player willing to listen that they should memorize those, and just fill in the missing number ---rather than subtract from 13 each time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guido Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 IMHO, the three most important items for a developing player to work on are: 1) counting 2) counting 3) counting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Not appreciating how the value of a hand changes during the auction. Bidding or playing one bid/trick at a time rather than forming a plan for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 I think that most of the card play problems above come from not counting and recounting and rerecounting the hand: 1) What shape did the players start with?2) What do they have left? I think that Rik is correct that the problems he mentioned are more important (and more likely to get in the way of your results and your fun both), but in terms of defense I think Kelsey (Killing Defense) had it exactly right, it all starts with counting. You can often get away with not looking at anything else if you can count out the hand for yourself. +1 trillion, every hand/play is about counting. Counting the shape, counting the points, counting the winners, counting the losers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 For me (intermediate), spending too much time working on low frequency system stuff and not enough time on high frequency play and defense skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Counting is huge but it is really more that you need to build up a mental picture of the unseen hands, based not just on counting but also on the calls and plays made (and not made) so far. There is no way to play decent bridge without that and it takes time to learn so should be started as early as possible, right after learning how to follow suit. Failure to build this picture correct, or often not even trying, is the worst mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 Stamina / mental energy and using it efficiently. It might have been Scheinwold who said "Don't waste energy on the spectacular plays, there aren't enough of them. Try to avoid mucking up the easy ones." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 I tried to count how many hands I ended up knowing declarer's shape on defence, and I was surprised how low it was. On many I just ended up with a comfortable strategy of keeping the suit I was defending and enough apropiate exit cards in our suit to avoid endplays. What is the percentage for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 21, 2011 Report Share Posted November 21, 2011 For beginners, not counting is obviously a mistake, but another one of the worst mistakes is to think that adding 20000 conventions will improve their results. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoKole Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 The absolute worst mistake any player can do in bridge is to pass a command bid by his partner. The reason that partner is making a command bid is because he is in command and needs specific information. Passing a 2 ♣ bid with long ♣ and nothing else is a prime example of this, another is passing a game try bid (which by the way, may be a slam try). It not only gets you a bottom 99% of the time but it also degrades partnership trust for future hands in bidding and defense Good luck, Theo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 The absolute worst mistake any player can do in bridge is to pass a command bid by his partner. The reason that partner is making a command bid is because he is in command and needs specific information. Passing a 2 ♣ bid with long ♣ and nothing else is a prime example of this, another is passing a game try bid (which by the way, may be a slam try). It not only gets you a bottom 99% of the time but it also degrades partnership trust for future hands in bidding and defense Good luck, TheoIn general, I agree, however there are some exceptional situations. For example, if you psyched 1M in 3rd seat with a long ♣ suit and partner bids Drury, then usually it's best to just pass (you planned this all along btw). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 In general, I agree, however there are some exceptional situations. For example, if you psyched 1M in 3rd seat with a long ♣ suit and partner bids Drury, then usually it's best to just pass (you planned this all along btw). that type of psyche is ridiculous and pointless. the opps know you've psyched now, but you've also let them know about partner's hand. and if you had a 'long club suit' you could just pre-empt to the 3 level directly instead of taking a circuitous route to a pre-empt at the 2 level. if you're going to do this kind of thing, you have to follow it through and rebid 2M to limit your hand and shut partner up and prepare to go minus a large multiple of 50. pretty much the only time you should drop a forcing bid after psyching imo is when you do it opposite a non-passed hand which then game forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manudude03 Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 The 2 worst bidding mistakes when it comes to bidding:Not using the system on normal hands (I've had 2 instances of people bidding 1NT-2S showing an 11 point invite with a 2443 shape or so- playing weak nt both times obviously)Using blackwood when you don't know where you belong or how high even opposite the response(s). Had a hand recently where partner launched into blackwood when we could literally have belonged in any strain. Naturally, the wrong strain got chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 that type of psyche is ridiculous and pointless. the opps know you've psyched now, but you've also let them know about partner's hand. and if you had a 'long club suit' you could just pre-empt to the 3 level directly instead of taking a circuitous route to a pre-empt at the 2 level.if you're going to do this kind of thing, you have to follow it through and rebid 2M to limit your hand and shut partner up and prepare to go minus a large multiple of 50. It isn't quite as bad as you make it out to be. For one thing, only one opponent gets to act after the pass, and if that opponent doesn't act it is over. For another, the opponents need to guess which is the psyche/misbid: the opening bid or the final pass. We've all likely either made this mistake, or witnessed this mistake, where one partner makes a game or slam try (drury, splinter, bergen raise, keycard, etc.) the other partner decides to decline the try but passes, rather than correcting back to trump. It isn't always revealing a psyche, it is just as often a mistake that was a slip of the mind. So the opponents don't know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yu18772 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Not taking enough time to think about partner's bids. Not analyzing the opening lead. Forgetting the trump count. Loosing trump control. Take a finesse when there is a possible endplay. Not watching your partners discards. "Worst mistakes" depend on the level of a player, and thus expectation. I wouldn't "Take a finesse when there is a possible endplay" as the worst mistake a beginner can make. In general, the worst mistakes I seen (and made) at the table by new players are (no particular order).Play:Counting and combining information from bidding into playJumping with an A on every occasionNot planning the play/defense at trick one, and not considering alternatives to a chosen line.Being "cheap" - not ruffing high (allowing unnecessary overruff) or not covering an honor when finessed etc....Signaling - either ignoring or over-interpreting partners signalsTempo in playing when finessedIgnoring scoring systemBidding:Bid the same values twice - by far the worst problem of beginners imoPassing a forcing bidNot thinking about the next bidLearning too many conventions too soonHaving no logic - memorizing rather than understanding biddingIgnoring vulnerabilityPartnership and general mistakes:Not discussing hands and bids with partnerAssuming that bad result on a particular hand is partnership faultNot discussing bidding enough in occasional partnerships, before the tournamentReading too few or too advanced books, without covering the basics firstNot moving on to the next handNot concentratingI think that advanced/intermediate players suffer from another set of common mistakes, and some expert players from yet another......Also to be fair, to correct these takes a lot of time and practice, and in many cases these mistakes reflect a poor introductory teaching.http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oof Arted Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 :rolleyes: sitting down at table in the first place :blink: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 I often see newcomers to bridge executing the "Elvis Coup" with monotonous frequency. E.g. As declarer you hold Kx in a side suit. LHO holds the AQx over you. To your immense relief LHO leads the Ace. The King is no longer dead. The "Elvis Coup" has given declarer a free trick. :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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