Would you sac?

[dwar0123]

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Imp pairs

5♦ or pass?

[Hanoi5]

I already bid my hand, why would I say anything other than Pass?

[ggwhiz]

I have a toy for this, an impossible 3nt bid. Over the double 3nt says I want to sac but am afraid of -800.

 

In this auction I don't think they are going down with the doubler behind whatever cards pard has but I'm REALLY afraid of

-800 or even -1100 on a bad day.

 

Our style of raising the pre-empt on these colours is extremly loose.

[aguahombre]

If partner doesn't expect this hand, then I have caused the misunderstanding before now. I am one of those old fashioned folks who believe weak two openings should make partner the boss. Maybe she is the one goofing around with the 3D raise; this hand doesn't need two operators.

[wank]

you can easily be going for 14non-vul hundreds.

 

equally easily opps can be going down.

 

if you're tempted to sac, just open 3d in the first place then p can raise to 5 if he likes

[paulg]

The previous posters have said the same but, as this is the Beginner and Intermediate forum, I will be a little more explicit.

 

Whenever you make a pre-emptive opening, or overcall, you give your partner a very good description of your hand. This means that your partner is in the best position to make decisions for the partnership based on the combined value of your hands. It is very rare for you to make a further contribution to the auction unless you are forced to.

 

In this specific case, you have opened a very normal weak two diamonds. You have everything that partner will expect. It is his decision whether to save or not. You should pass.

 

What would constitute one of these very rare hands? Well, if you had opened two diamonds holding ♠x ♥x ♦AKJxxx ♣Jxxxx, then you might consider bidding. But any hand that would even merit consideration you would have already bid on the previous round.

[Fluffy]

the question should be: do you consider sacriying?, and the answer is: obviously no.

[neilkaz]

I have allready bid my hand with the weak 2 and there's nothing at all unusual about it. This is a very easy pass. PD is the one who should be considering sac'ing and he's chosen to pass.

[lmilne]

I can see why you would like to sacrifice, but you can't for reasons already covered.

 

Because my suit is so good and it's first seat favourable, I would certainly open 3♦ with a singleton (i.e. 6331) shape and I would consider it with this hand as well. I mean, this easily fits into my partnership style for a 3♦ opening (with our 2♦ opening artificial) but I'm not so sure it would for you. But the omens are certainly good for a 6-card 3 level opening. This will make it easier for partner to dive when it's right, IMO, aside from all the other good things a 3♦ opening does.

[aguahombre]

Because my suit is so good and it's first seat favourable, I would certainly open 3♦ with a singleton (i.e. 6331) shape and I would consider it with this hand as well. I mean, this easily fits into my partnership style for a 3♦ opening (with our 2♦ opening artificial) but I'm not so sure it would for you. But the omens are certainly good for a 6-card 3 level opening. This will make it easier for partner to dive when it's right, IMO, aside from all the other good things a 3♦ opening does.

I am not understanding why telling pard we have an unbalanced hand with a 7 card suit when we have a balanced hand with a six-card suit is helping him evaluate for a sac.

[lmilne]

I am not understanding why telling pard we have an unbalanced hand with a 7 card suit when we have a balanced hand with a six-card suit is helping him evaluate for a sac.

 

I was referring more to the hypothetical 6331, I should've made that more clear. That hand is quite good for a sacrifice because we don't hold anything outside (they are more likely to make their contract) and we have good stuff in our suit (a sacrifice won't be as costly). Something like Qxx x KJTxxx Jxx is worse for opening 3♦ as we have some potential defense.

 

Also I don't think opening 3minor favourable first promises a 7-card suit, but maybe we are in disagreement there.

[JLOGIC]

Best beginner advice possible "Don't bid the same values twice." You showed your hand type with 2D, thus it is your partners decision whether or not to sacrifice.

[Cyberyeti]

Best beginner advice possible "Don't bid the same values twice." You showed your hand type with 2D, thus it is your partners decision whether or not to sacrifice.

This is exactly right. Unless you have a real surprise that partner is not going to expect when making his decision (xx, void, KJ10xxx, QJ10xx for example), don't even think of bidding.

[billw55]

Open games on BBO seem to be plagued with players who will almost always "sacrifice" with a fit. This is not right at all. Especially at IMPs where you need be highly confident that the ops are making their contract. (Which is not at all the case here, you have a near certain defensive trick.)

[JLOGIC]

Open games on BBO seem to be plagued with players who will almost always "sacrifice" with a fit. This is not right at all. Especially at IMPs where you need be highly confident that the ops are making their contract. (Which is not at all the case here, you have a near certain defensive trick.)

 

Agree with this, people sac way too much at imps. You are usually risking a lot to gain a marginal amount.